CORRESPONDENCE
WITH
AN "EDUCATED"
AMERICAN
[CHRISTIAN(?)
& WHITE]
2001
compiled by
Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland
This is a record of email correspondence
between an American citizen, who considered himself to be educated, and myself. The correspondence highlights the paranoia and the superiority complex held by Americans, as well as the disdain they have for other citizens of this planet. Many "educated" Americans consider themselves to be "God's gift to this world".
Below is a shocking revelation as to how the American Administration has twisted the minds of its citizens and removed the reasoning power and inserted in its place their form of nationalistic fundamentalism, totally unrelated to the tenets of Christianity, and which is based on blind hatered of everything non-white American.
Introduction
Just after the September 11th
international tragedy in New York in 2001 I received a cryptic
unsigned email. As I tackle all my email as soon as I receive
it, I replied to the sender.
Usually, emails that contain nonsensical
oblique criticism about my web sites originate from fictitious
email addresses. Any replies that I send tend to bounce.
But not this one.
I discovered what had disturbed
this individual, The NEWC, who went by this pseudonym. It was
a joke I had printed on one of my pages about Mahatma Gandhi not
being able to turn in his grave as he had been cremated.
We then got into a protracted
email correspondence lasting a few months.
Most of the opinions expressed
by The NEWC shocked me to the core. It may not shock many of you.
That will depend on your background and upbringing.
I present here all the emails
I have been able to locate that have been exchanged between us.
As two email addresses and three email programmes were used by
me and as I upgraded my computer software during this correspondence,
it is likely that some of the emails exchanged have been misplaced.
I have not intentionally disposed of any, but these may have been
filed some in places where a search has not yielded any of the
missing ones.
I have edited the text for purposes
of uniform presentation and readability. I have edited the bad
language expletives in the text as I do not like bad language.
I have in no way edited the meaning of the contents expressed
on both sides. Where there are spelling mistakes or grammatical
errors still present, these have been left in only to emphasize
obvious issues related to the content. General typographical errors
have been corrected.
I have standardised the identification
of myself as JM and my correspondent as The NEWC.
My background can be seen from
my web page
Personal profile of Jacob Matthan
I am a strong-willed individual.
I am used to expressing my opinions rather forcibly. I tend to,
on one extreme, personalize my correspondence, or, at the other
extreme, to generalise it beyond its intended meaning. These are
deficiencies inherent in me.
However, I expect the recipient
of messages from me to understand that I intend no personal insult.
I try to concentrate on the issues. If the recipient is using
personalized examples to make his or her case, I usually accept
it as not being insulting, but I retaliate with also personalised
statements. This will become evident as you read through the following
emails.
The NEWC tended to use his work
computer for most of his email. This was until a suspected virus
had him shift some of his sending from his home email address.
However, almost all his email was constructed while he was at
work and between his meetings, conference calls and visitors.
The NEWC forwarded me some images
which he thought would educate me to think "American".
He tried to forward me an mp3 file. These were those he had received
by email from others. These were sent to him by some friends or
colleagues and to multiple recipients. I have edited the recipient
list to just show that the originals had gone to multiple recipients.
The NEWC obviously discussed my
emails with some of his friends. In one instance there is a forward
of an email that The NEWC received which specifically mentions
- "LAY THIS ON YOUR BUDDY
JACOB
PRETTY PROGRESSIVE "THINKING"
so that I should be "impressed"
by the contents forwarded.
I was horrified!!
What worried me in this exchange
of emails was the lack of education in what I considered to be
an above-average American who had the opportunity to study in
an University and even teach in one. Here was a man who had served
in the US Army, served as a policeman and worked in a telephone company.
He was presently a man in charge of some operation or the other
in the US. He was to my mind, a completely above-average American.
From this correspondence it appears, in my opinion, that this
class of American is bigoted, which gives me the shivers when
I think what the average American would be.
For instance, The NEWC was under
the impression that it was IBM which invented computing. All he
had to do was an internet search and he would have landed up at
the page
http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa050298.htm
which explains how Konrad Zuse
of Germany made a mechanical calculator, the first binary computer!!
Had he gone further he would understood
the existence of the abacus and that no invention takes place
in isolation - all developments are the culmination of knowledge
gleaned from time immemorial.
But here was a man who claimed
to be "educated" focusing on the American-ness of all
major inventions.
I do not intend here to show up
what I feel are all the gross stupidities of his assumptions.
I leave that to the reader to draw his or her own conclusions.
In my humble opinion, almost none of The NEWC's assertions have
any basis in history and far less in truth.
But it appears to be what above-average
Americans believe, as that is what the American Administration
wants them to believe.
When I first came to Finland I
met a young boy who tried to convince me that "Araldite"
was a Finnish product developed by a Finnish company - not understanding
for a moment that it was the trademark of the Swiss firm, CIBA,
and which had been licensed to a Finnish firm to market the adhesive
in Finland. I then called this childish ignorance. But, later,
I found that this ignorance at all levels of Finnish society in
all walks of life - and it was the product of bad education coupled
with nationalism and patriotism.
And it is the same ignorance I
saw in this individual in America.
So many decisions today are made
on this level of knowledge. This suits the "corrupt"
politicians and bureaucrats - the Administration. They want to
keep this level of ignorance rampant in society. It serves their
ends. Mr. Colin Powell's performance in the United Nations Security
Council on Wednesday 5th February 2003 was a typical example of
such a performance of feeding the American masses with information
that they want them to believe and which has no basis in factual
evidence which would hold up in any court of law.
It is, therefore, no wonder that
President George W. Bush can act with impunity in matters such
as Iraq, Iran or Afghanistan, as the level of intelligence of
the above-average American seems to be controlled by a media which
ensures that he is not really "educated" beyond his
call of patriotism and nationalism.
Such enclosures that were sent
with these emails from The NEWC as "If I were President
George W. Bush's Speech Writer" by Adam Bomb and "I'm
Proud To Be An American" show what drives the above-average
American in this age of high technology.
Such fantastic claims that rolled
over from The NEWC as, for example, that for every Jew sent to
the gas chambers by Hitler, as many or more Lutherans, Roman Catholics
and Gypsies were also gassed to death during World War II, would
normally have made my blood boil. But I restrained myself at the
time of the correspondence as it appeared to me that, although
I had been brought up on an American diet in my youth, I was really
missing the cream of their absurdity.
The John Wayne syndrome is totally
all-encompassing in the make-up of The NEWC. The feeling that
the US, by itself, saved the world or is saving the world seems
to be the general opinion held in America. These Americans cannot
face reality as it hurts them to think that they are not the be-all
and the end-all of all things on this earth.
The fact that well before Japan
attacked Pearl Harbour the Americans had a very carefully planned
secret program to prepare a weapon of mass destruction, the atom
bomb, which had to be publicly tested for its effectiveness, seems
to have escaped the reasoning power of present day Americans who
claim that Saddam Hussein is developing weapons of mass destruction.
Many Americans have been led to believe and feel that they developed
and tested the atom bomb BECAUSE Japan attacked Pearl Harbour!!
How ridiculous - as the development
of the atom bomb took billions of dollars, several years and many
tens of thousands of top secret man-hours, well before Pearl Harbour
or Hiroshima.
Hence the claim that Saddam Hussein
is developing weapons of mass destruction is only a throw back
to history where the US did the same in the most clandestine manner
and then tested it in international conflict - not because
of Pearl Harbour as the Americans have been told to believe.
The ultimate in this dialogue
was when The NEWC could no longer take the logical reasoning that
I kept throwing his way. His claim appears to be that that America
is an English-speaking Christian democracy - and he could not
accept that it was none of these in spirit, word or deed.
The limit of his vision could
be seen by me when he makes the decision that he would be reporting
me for my un-American stance to the Federal Bureau
of Investigation (FBI). He also goes on to threaten me that
he would find out from his "contacts" why I had "fled"
from India, not even considering that I may be here in Finland
as my wife and some of my children and grandchildren and my family
are nationals of this country!!
All this was revealed to him during
the course of our correspondence - and from my web sites which
he had definitely visited and seen.
I am grateful to Julia
Scheeres, the journalist at WIRED, who wrote a column on the
ACLU and the objections in the US to President Bush's actions
("ACLU
Acts Against Patriot Act"), for encouraging me to put
down the correspondence as a web page.
As far as possible I have tried
to keep the emails as per the times they were received, but there
may be some inconsistencies because of the differences in the
time used on each email - some being US time and some, Helsinki
time. In between the emails I have interspersed some comments,
as I thought relevant. This will establish some of the reasons
why I replied in a particular manner.
Email No. 1
From: The NEWC
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 08:46:28 -0400
To: JM
Subject: Missed it
While looking
for "unique Firearms" I blindly stumbled into your site.
You poor sick people need help, don't you? You surely cannot believe
your material is funny. So, without any good humor, what is your
purpose?
Email No. 2
From: JM
To: The NEWC
Sent: 9/20/01 22.42
Subject: Re: Missed it.
Dear Sir,
Your cryptic message
shows that it may be you that is out of focus.
We have some 5000
to 10000 pages on our site. We have close to 100000
people in our community. Which one (page) are you referring to.
Also we make good
money on the web - unlike the failed US dotcoms.
So I think the
joke maybe on you!!
Regards
JM
Email No. 3
From: The NEWC
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:44:19 -0400
To: JM
Subject: Re: Missed it
Wrong again,
oh dense one.
First of all,
Unique (note the first letter is capitalized) Firearms is a brand
name for semi-automatic handguns once made in France. (JM Comment: His email
did not have a capitalised "unique") I own one and was looking for the rest
of the components that comprise a weapons system.
My point was,
however, that if you think the fact that individuals in your pathetic
little tome could not turn over in their graves because they were
cremated is funny, you indeed have a sick sense of humor.
Even vulgar
little pornographic web sites make money on the web and without
all those US dot.coms you denigrate, there would be no web sites
or a functioning internet.
And, no, Americans
do not believe our former vice-president, Al Gore, invented the
internet. But it is an American invention. (JM Comment: This to me showed The NEWC's
lack of knowledge about American affairs as Al Gore had never
claimed he had invented the internet.)
What has your
quaint little nation invented since we kicked the Germans out
for you? (JM
Comment: This showed again a lack of knowledge of international
affairs as he obviously did not know that no American Forces were
involved with the World War II in Finland.) Or, what did you invent prior to the
arrival of the Nazi hordes?
My mother-in-law
was fond of the hymn Finlandia before she passed away and it was
performed at her funeral.
Peace, love and joy .... stay warm.
Yours truly,
The NEWC
JM Comment:
His aggression was something I could not understand at this stage.
He now shows he has no sense of history. He assumes that Americans
kicked the Germans out of Finland, which he assumes is my country.
He further believes that the Americans invented the internet -
but that could somehow be forgiven. At this stage I can see his
anti-Democrat stance by his trashing of Al Gore. Another thing
I note at this stage is that he calls Finlandia as a hymn. This
composition by Sibelius was not a hymn by any stretch of the imagination.
So The NEWC's fundamentalist Christian values have now surfaced.
Email No. 4
From: JM
Date: 21/09/2001, 17:01 +0000
To: The NEWC
Subject: RE: Missed it.
Dear The NEWC,
I do not deal
in firearms and am surprised you arrived at my site when searching
for Firearms. I detest Firearms and hence am glad to be dense
about them. Just as you may be dense about several subjects that
I am well versed in!!
I sell books on
many subjects from Plastics to Project Management and make enough
money to support my wife and myself. I am happy with what I earn
and I do not need any more than that.
I am a Findian.
I am not a Finn.
Dense one, I suggest
you find out what is a Findian.
You did not kick
any Germans out of my country as there were no Germans in my country
to be kicked out!!
You seem to think
that Americans are God's gift to the world. Sadly they would be
nowhere if they did not have the brain-power inputs of third world
countries doing all the computer coding for them.
All that some
Americans (like you) are capable of doing is causing chaos both
for yourselves and other citizens of the world - as is evidenced
by the World Trade Center incident.
After being kicked
out of Vietnam with your tail between your legs, some Americans
believe they are the only superpower.
Now they just
got slammed in the face by a man who does not even have a telephone!!
And if the American
Government acts even more arrogantly now, it is the American people
who will get slammed again. It appears to be the collateral damage
of the policies of your "democratic" Government, just
as killing innocent little children in Iraq is the collateral
damage of your Government's policy against Saddam Hussein.
When 190 countries
vote to follow a policy on environmental issues - one country,
yours, stands away and tries to run its own policy.
What is your definition
of "democracy"? The will of the "strongest"?
And who is the
strongest?
The one who perpetrated
the World Trade Center disaster or the Americans who suffered
it as a consequence of their previous stupid actions?
On dense one,
from the views expressed by you, I think you must be George Bush's
long lost brother!! And Canadian Gordon Sinclair must have been
your first cousin.
Dear American,
stand up and cheer and honour the sycophants. (I am not one to
be cheered.)
Or, get a life.
Best regards
JM
JM Comment:
At this stage I felt that a bit of controlled aggression was necessary
to get his individual to talk more about himself. So, in technical
terms, I let fly.
Email No. 5
From: The NEWC
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:07:21 -0400
To: JM
Subject: Re: Missed it
My dear JM,
Ouch! You're good, pal,
and even I must admit you have hit closer to the truth than I
would like to believe.
Yes, we, like the British before
us, have involved ourselves in matters that usually blow up in
our faces. We mean well but somebody manages to turn it to dog-poop!
The disaster of the World Trade Center is not just our private
little mess. People from many nations died in that. Bin Laden
does have a telephone, however. It's a cell phone. But, things
like that happen because we have such an open and trusting society.
Yep, we got our butts kicked
in Viet Nam because our Commie-loving politicians gave it away.
Good point - well made.
Democracy gives us the freedom
so many other nations are denied.
But, you see, it's just like
Somalia -- we went in just to FEED those poor starving bastards
and they took our food, ate it, and then turned on our "Meals
on Wheels" troops and dragged their naked bodies through
the streets.
Yes, I like guns, but use them
purely as a defense against the bad guys. And, I do hold a permit
to carry a firearm. I do not hunt. I would never enjoy killing
rabbits and squirrels or deer. Not in me.
I see I pissed you off -- I'm
sorry. I guess that was my intent but I'm still sorry.
I do have a life -- a
very good life, in fact. My wife of 36 years was my colonel's
daughter. Yep, military! I have a good job with a lot of people
reporting to me. Yes, I drive a Lincoln!! My wife has a
pickup truck.
You mention books - I own a
few hundred and am a published author but I doubt you would appreciate
my Military Action-Adventure style.
And I sure as hell don't know
how I stumbled onto your site -- must have been one of those little
third-world coders??? And I NEVER called you a FINN!
Fins are on fish!
I am not George's brother but
I did vote for him -- proudly so. Gore is half Commie as are the
Clintons. Keep my address or the other one ..... If
you ever get around Chicago I'll show you around and how America
really lives. By the way, your English leads me to believe
you are not a native of Finland.
Cheers
The NEWC
JM Comment:
The NEWC's lack of knowledge of what the in-depth media is reporting
is evident. He had not read the statements that Osama Bin Laden
kept no (electronically powered and run) phones of any type with
him as they could be tracked by satellite - and certainly no cell
phone was going to work in those remote conditions without installation
of repeaters. His lack of analytical ability was now exposed.
He fails to understand my comment about democracy and takes the
stand that America is a democracy, but does not answer what is
a democracy, as per my definition. He only thinks about HIS freedom,
not the freedom of whom America oppresses in the name of democracy.
Having been slammed in the face, he tries a come around and even
attempts some humour, after criticising me for my type of humour.
He reveals his even more MacArthurish opinion that all those who
do not subscribe to his views are Commies!
Email No. 6
From: The NEWC
Sent: 9/21/01 11:17:07 AM
To: JM
Subject: Explanation
By the way, let's deal with
this Saddam thing.
He knew what was coming.
He invaded Quwait, not us.
He set fire to the oil fields. He, like the North Vietnamese,
put children in harms way and then cried to the world when they
were killed. Believe what you will, JM, but Americans do not murder
children.
You surely cannot be a supporter
of Saddam after what he has been doing to his own people and family
members, can you?
The North Vietnamese wired
explosives to their children and sent them to get chocolate from
the nice G.I.'s.
I have to go ....... duty calls
The NEWC
JM Comment:
Now The NEWC is trying to justify the unjustifiable - he does
not answer the basic question, what was it American's business
to interfere in Kuwait. Kuwait was no democracy. America claims
to be the supporter of democracies - but this was the support
of their oil pipeline, not democracy!! Kuwait was purely a state
that existed for the convenience of US Oil giants, and for that
purpose, and that purpose alone, was it US's business to interfere
there.
Email No. 7
From: JM
Sent: 9/22/01
Subject: Re:
FW: Explanation
To: The NEWC
Hello The NEWC,
Thanks for your
two posts.
You wrote:
- "Bin Laden
does have a telephone"
You may be right.
I did mean cell phone. He does not even wear an electronic watch!!
In Finland we only seem to think in terms of the Nokia cell phone,
so the fixed line is something of the past age.
May I ask your
question in reverse -"You surely cannot be a supporter of
successive US administrations who are raining terror on their
own American people?"
If the American
Government hits other people with its military might, whatever
be the background (as the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade or the pharmaceutical
factory in Sudan), then they should be prepared to put their own
people out of harms way -. and that includes in America. In today's
world the war will never be in the area which America deems is
the "war zone". "Waco Islamist?" Timothy McVeigh
was proof of this!!
I think you should
demand President Bush to keep all Americans out of harms way by
putting them all in safe bunkers if he intends to continue his
policies as the world's policeman!!
You may have voted
for Bush, but your President is not legitimate in the eyes of
the world - a rigged election with not even a popular mandate?
And yet he withdraws
from the Kyoto environmental treaty, goes ahead with the missile
defence programme despite objections from every sane and insane
country in the world, refuses to ratify the chemicals weapons
treaty which makes it possible for any rogue state to develop
chemicals weapons and also decides that he will withdraw from
the ABM treaty WHEN he thinks it in the best interest of the US.
Of course, the
US never had any intention of abiding by the nuclear non-proliferation
treaty but yet went ahead with sanctions against India and Pakistan
for being "honest" about their intentions!!
Can you blame
any other country or person for therefore acting "in their
best interest" which may not be the best interest of the
US?
Whatever the North
Vietnamese did - the Americans did equally horrific acts of atrocities
and so they had to run. Napalm was not a creation of the North
Vietnamese.
- "...,
intensive research to slow down the burning was funded by the
U.S. government, and in 1942 Harvard University scientists and
the U.S. army chemical warfare service found a way to jelly gasoline
that worked quite well.
- They found
that mixing an aluminum soap powder of naphthene and palmitate
(hence na-palm), also known as napthenic and palmitic acids,
with gasoline produced a brownish sticky syrup that burned more
slowly than raw gasoline, and hence was much more effective at
igniting one's target. The napalm was mixed in varying concentrations
of 6% (for flame throwers) and 12-15% for bombs mixed on site
(for use in perimeter defense).
- This mixture
was a big hit with the allied forces, who used it extensively
in World War II in flame throwers and fire bombs in the latter
part of the war. (The incendiary bombs that rained on Dresden
were probably mostly made with phosphorus, not napalm, but I
have not been able to find an authoritative source online describing
the incendiary material.) Napalm bombs burned out 40% of the
area of Japanese target cities. In the Korean war, 165 gallon
napalm bombs were dropped on enemy troops, with very effective
"results"."
(Ref:
http://tchester.org/fb/issues/napalm.html)
US is not the
world's policeman. By your own logic, if the US decides to act
that way, then American citizens have to be prepared for all the
consequences. If US intervened in Kuwait to save one undemocratic
despot from another, then its people have to accept the consequences
of that intervention on its own territory - not 10000 miles away.
And, by the way,
I am not talking of the civilians killed during the war but the
hundreds of thousands of children who have been deprived of medicines
and are dying from every conceivable disease because of the US
embargo despite the rest of the humanitarian world's concern for
these innocent lives.
US is only reaping
the consequences of actively building persons as Saddam Hussein
(directly) and Osama Bin Laden (indirectly). Blame your administration
and not Saddam or Bin Laden for the World Trade Center act. These
individuals are only creations of US policies. These war-mongers
are there because the US put them there. Now that these individuals
are no longer required for the purpose for which they were created,
the US wants to be rid of them - but it appears that the tail
is wagging the master faster than the master can run!!.
I never gave any
indication that I support Saddam Hussein, or Osama Bin Laden or
Col. Mu'ammar Gadhafi, or anyone else. But I certainly do not
approve the 1986 April 15 US airforce terrorist attack on Tripoli
and Benghazi where around 20 people are killed, among them Gadhafi's
own adopted infant daughter - collateral damage? Neither do I
defend any other terrorist act done by anyone against anyone else!
- "The
American missiles then played very strong role in sorting the
controversy. After the American attack on Sudan and Afghanistan
it became almost shameful to criticize Bin Laden. People inside
Saudi Arabia and in other Arab countries were full of anger towards
America, and whoever can antagonize America would provide a fulfillment
to their desire of discharging their anger. The American strike
with the associated remarks by Clinton and American officials
proved that Bin Laden is a big challenge to America. In the mind
of average Arab and Muslim Bin Laden appeared as the man who
was able to drive America so crazy that it started shooting haphazardly
at unjustified targets. There was another factor which made people
forget the scene of civilian victims, the special nature of the
Sudanese factory. Those who had reservations of the African bombings
thought that this arrogance of the Americans is much worse than
the embassy bombings. Their view was that while Bin Laden or
others can make "executive" mistake because of their
difficult circumstances, logistics and communication, America
is not supposed to do this mistake unless it is done in purpose."
(Ref:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/who/bio2.html)
I am just a "dense"
socio-political analyst with little humour whose opinions you
may not like, but that does not put me as a supporter of any of
America's foes or friends. I have as many American friends and
relatives as enemies of the US who appreciate or detest the "subjective"
analysis of this "dense" individual. It is likely that
I lost several close friends (I have been glad to hear that no
relatives were lost) in the WTC attack.
By the way, I
am not pissed off. I enjoy debate and another person's point of
view. But I can give as good as I get. Without feedback like yours
I can never do an honest analysis about any subject, including
the one on Gun Control in the US!! :-)
As regards being
a native of Finland, you are right, I am not. I come from one
of those third world countries where we were taught "butler's"
English. If you want to know my origins, maybe you should look
at
K. C. Mammen Mappillai - Doyen of Kerala
As regards third
world coders and search engines - It depends which search engine
you used - as my web sites pretty much dominate all the search
engines including the latest and most efficient "Teoma"
which means "Expert" in Greek and was recently acquired
by Ask Jeeves from the yankee professors who developed it at Rutgers
University.
http://www.teoma.com/
Just enter the
query "Books about Polymers" in this search engine and
see the results.
I am just an old
white-haired man sitting in the cellar playing with his computer
and his grandson - sort of reminiscent of Spencer Tracy in the
"Old Man and the Sea". And I do have a few thousand
books about a wide range of my interest subjects. Plus I do happen
to have written a few (alone and with my wife of the last 34 years)
with my new non-fiction "Last Will and Testament" being
in the final stages of preparation.
Regards
JM
Email No. 8
From: The NEWC
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 3:11:51 AM Europe/Helsinki
To: JM
Subject: Fwd: Laughs (?)
This pretty much says it all
***
> Return-path: Friend X
> From: Friend X
> Full-name: Friend X
> Message-ID: <118.4e1d0da.28dae7cc@aol.com>
> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 02:33:48 EDT
> Subject: Laughs (?)
> To: Multiple recipients
>
> If I were President George W. Bush's Speech Writer.
>
> By Adam Bomb
>
> Good evening my fellow Americans.
>
> First, I want to pass on my condolences to the people
> of New York and all Americans that are hurting in this
> tragic time. You can rest assured that anything and
> everything that can be done to assure the safety of our
> country will be done. This is the greatest country in
> the world and we will get through this trying time. Now
> is the time for all people to set aside our petty
> differences and show the world that no one or nothing
> can destroy the fortitude of the American people.
>
> To the people responsible for today's tragedy, I say
> is:
>
> Are you fxxxxxg kidding me? Are the turbans on your
> heads wrapped too tight? Have you gone too long without
> a bath? Do you not know who you are fxxxxxg
> with? Americans are so hungry to kill, that we shoot at
> each other every day. We will relish that opportunity
> for new targets for our aggression.
>
> Have you forgotten history? What happened to the last
> people that started fxxxxxg around with us? Remember
> the little yellow bastards over in Japan? We bitch
> slapped them all over the Pacific and roasted about 2
> million of them in their own back yard. That's what we
> in America call a big ass barbecue. Ever seen Texas on
> a map? Ever wonder why it's so big? Because we wanted
> it that way, Mexico started jacking around with the
> Alamo and now they cut our lawns. England? We sent them
> packing.
>
> Ask your buddy Saddam about fxxxxxg with the good 'ole
> USA. The only reason he got away the first time is
> because it's too hard to shoot someone when you're
> doubled over laughing at them. Our soldiers aren't
> trained to laugh and shoot at the same time. Now he
> couldn't stop a pack of cub scouts from taking over his
> shitty little country.
>
> Trust us, Afghanistan will end up a giant kitty litter
> box. Go ahead and try to hide, Bin Laden. There's not a
> hole deep enough or a mountain high enough that's going
> to keep your camel riding asses safe. We will bomb
> every inch of the country that harbors him, his camps
> and any place that looks and even smells like he was
> there. Hell, we might even drop a few bombs on people
> that have pissed us off in the past. This is America.
> We kick ass. This is what we do. Go ahead and laugh
> now, but the Tomahawks are coming and we will smoke
> your sorry asses.
>
> God bless America!
***
JM Comment:
The NEWC tries to make a joke about the American way of life by
forwarding me a "joke" which is not only bad language
but also shows up his character as his very first email to me
was to trash a harmless joke on my web page. His irrationality
is fully exposed at this moment.
Email No. 9
From: The NEWC
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 3:57:55 AM Europe/Helsinki
To: JM
Subject: Hello JM
You asked if I thought Americans
were God's gift to the world.
Yes, I do. (With some reservations)
We entered World War I after
Europe had had enough of the Germans and they surrendered.
We were forced into World War
II and fought on two fronts and we won.
Good-bye NAZIs and der Spiegelmeister.
We have kept the North Koreans
out of South Korea.
We were doing a job of keeping
The NVA out of South Viet Nam when we were pulled out by politicians
and look what happened to the "re-educated" South Vietnamese
and, dear God, look what happened in Cambodia with no Americans
around to stop it.
Any time there is a disaster
in the world we are the first to respond with planes loaded with
food, medicine, tents, water, etc., and we ask nothing in return.
Yes, we have hunger here, but
the hungry can get help if they want it -- we have government
social programs for any category that can be named.
We have a lot of crooked politicians but we walked on the moon
and looked at Mars.
Thousands of people pour into
this country everyday looking for FREEDOM and FOOD.
We have both. You're lucky
they are flowing into Finland.
When we have disasters -- tornadoes,
earthquakes, hurricanes and floods ..... who helps us?
NO ONE -- we have to do it
ourselves!!!
I sure hope you are not suggesting
we deserved what just happened in New York City.
The only thing we have done
is help the Jews that Hitler didn't cremate. I DO NOT APPROVE
OF WHAT THE JEWS ARE DOING TO THE PALESTINIANS!!
I don't like it a bit.
A lot of people from many countries died in the World Trade Center.
What a shame. Mass murder is a shame anytime, anyplace.
We will find these killers.
We will show their cowardice to the world. Saddam said he would
make the desert flow with OUR blood. Take a look -- it didn't
happen.
I'm too old to serve again
-- I served in my army and married my colonel's daughter. We are
still together after 36 years. My sons will fight and die in this
war. God help them, too.
We do this to make the world
free. We got your Russian neighbors to tear down the Berlin wall.
Chalk that up for America, too.
Yeh, JM, I do think we are
God's gift to the FREE WORLD. Praise God!!
God bless you and good luck!
See you, pal ....
I am,
The NEWC
JM Comment:
Here came the totally American speel - America is God's Gift to
the FREE WORLD. He does not ask the meaning of what is a FREE
WORLD. One shackled to America's whims and fancies? And he comes
up with the most standard line - "My sons will fight and
die in this war" rather than "My sons will fight and
KILL in this war" and, probably, enjoy KILLING.
Email No. 10
From: JM
Date: 25/09/2001, 13.20 +0000
To: The NEWC
Subject: Re: Hello JM
Dear The NEWC,
I may be repeating
myself, but you sound just like the late Canadian Gordon Sinclair!!
Take a look at
his web site.
http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Our_Culture/americans.htm
You may yet get
the keys to the kingdom, like him.
Was it only the
Americans who fought World War I and especially World War II.
You seem to have been caught up with a John Wayne movie clip rather
than living in reality!! I seem to know that many countries in
the third world were dragged into the war and lost a lot of lives
fighting someone elses war.
If it were not
for an understanding Gorbachev you would not have had any break
in the Berlin wall.
Maybe you should
think for a minute why the Berlin wall was built.
Whether it be
drugs, assassinations, US is always in the trouble spots to create
trouble to get the riches - not solve it. Mobutu of Zaire is an
ideal example. Saddam Hussein, the US puppet who turned against
it, and the Taliban, are just creations of US policy. God's gift
to us?
And do we all
have to thank the American lifestyle for the world's greatest
killer - AIDS. From Rock Hudson with love?
Did you think
for a moment that it is probably US policy on energy which may
be creating the floods, earthquakes, tornadoes around the world,
and especially devastating certain parts of the US.
People who migrate
to US do not do it for freedom but to capitalise on smaller fry.
Big business swallows up local initiative.
In our small town
of 100000 people there was a small drive in restaurant which has
been doing well for years and years. Now, McDonald's have placed
their drive in 100 metres from the small operator. By undercutting
him with their global resources, the only purpose. they intend
to put him out of business. Then UP WILL go the prices.
All this behaviour
only brings hate against Americans and whatever they stand for.
But most Americans are blind to this. Tunnel vision by Americans
of only the positives is what I call it.
And then, when
the angered, helpless people try to find justice. They are blocked
by every single method by power politics.
Are you blind
to the anti-globalisation protests riots that have accompanied
every G7 meeting. Are they figments of my imagination?
When people are
cornered, starving, murdered and butchered by American capitalism
policies - then you get the WTC bombings. Then you wonder why
such a thing like that could happen IN AMERICA - God's gift to
the free world!!
The NEWC, look
around you and ask yourself why Americans are hated (not loved
as you seem to think) around the world - and in America too.
Regards
JM
Email No. 11
From: The NEWC
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:48:11 -0400
To: JM
Subject: RE: FW:Explanation
Good morning, JM.
My computer was down yesterday so I read your epistle this morning
.. that's a good thing, by the way.
I am finding our how well versed
you are in world politics and some of our best blunders.
I have printed your letter so I work with in depth later.
One quick thing -- I believe you have the Timothy McViegh thing
wrong as do most Americans. McVeigh did not act on is own
just to pop one building. There were too many "coincidences"
for that to have happened. Many FBI and ATF did not show up for
work that morning. After the building blew up, we saw on TV here
people running away from the building after rescue had started
screaming ".. there are more bombs .." Men from the
ATF were then shown carrying what they said were "dummy"
bombs from the building claiming they were being used for training.
I am not that gullible.
I love this country and while
we may have the best form of government on the Earth we also have
the most corrupt government on the earth. James Earl Ray did not
kill Dr. M.L. King and Lee Harvey Oswald did not shoot Jack Kennedy.
L O N G stories and I've written a book
about President Kennedy and why he was shot -- not killed, mind
you, just shot.
I am enjoying our "discussions"
and hope we can maintain this for some time. I will answer
you as best I can and as honestly as possible.
I'll tell you one thing, I'd
rather have George W. in the White House right now than Al Gore.
Have to go to Conference Call
right now .... see you later.
The NEWC
JM Comment:
Now comes his reasoning for all America's ills - the great conspiracy
theory, from the killing of Martin Luther King to the "shooting"
of President Kennedy. It is unbelievable that a man could believe
that John F. Kennedy was just "shot" and NOT KILLED!!
By now he unfortunately has to accept my reasoning on almost all
major issues concerning America's indiscretions.
Email No. 12
From: The NEWC
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:00:24 -0400
To: JM
Subject: Me again
Me again, though I don't for
how long ... but ... you are a most interesting gentleman.
I looked at your website and you and your lovely wife don't look
very Indian to me but .. what do I know.
Bin Laden has one of those
old wireless phone of the 70's with the black rubber antenna on
it. Saw it on a newscast the other night.
Yes, we created that monster
- I agree - we supported him so he could fight the Russians and
free his people (JM: His ignorance really shows up here. Osama
Bin Laden was not an Afghan fighting the Russians, he is a Saudi
Arabian, and why was the US supporting a Saudi Arabian to fight
the war of the Afghans against Russia.) but I can't imagine what
the Russians expected to gain by conquering that forsaken land.
Then, Laden turned on the world. (JM Comment: As most Americans, he equates
the US with the world!!)
It's the same deal when we once supported Fidel Castro to overthrow
our old pal Baptista in Cuba. And, yes, we created Saddam but
did not expect him to go murder thousands upon thousands of Kurds
and turn against his own people and then waltz into Kuwait.
That's the problem over here -- we think we are helping forgetting
that absolute power corrupts absolutely. (JM Comment: Americans - think deeply about
this statement!!)
Can we cut the "dense"
crap now? I apologize - you are far from dense. In fact,
I'm beginning to see glimmers of intelligence here an there. We
still invented the computer even if others have jumped aboard
and stolen IBM technology and Bill Gates is supposed to be the
richest man in the world depending on where the stock market on
any day. And to think most of these guys -- Gates, Jobs,
etc., -- started in garages. Henry Ford started in a barn near
Frankfort, Illinois.
Gun control -- bad deal. Yes,
I have a "carry permit" but can only carry in certain
states. Illinois does not allow any personal carry laws
so only the bad guys and cops can carry a gun. But, if I
use my gun illegally or carelessly I will lose my privilege of
carrying a gun. We have THOUSANDS of laws on the book about guns
but few are enforced. We take them away from the bad guys and
melt them down in the steel mills. It really does not make a lot
of sense to us either. All the liberals want to do is create more
gun laws until we have an Australian situation where even the
antique collections are destroyed. Not good. We still believe
we have a right to protect ourselves even if we have to protect
ourselves from the government. Ala Germany, Poland, etc., who
had their guns taken and then subdued and subjected. We won't
allow that here. There are enough military veterans who will fight
for freedom at any cost. We do not believe "Better Red than
dead." Also, I am a former Military Police officer and did
some federal and state work .. I have done a lot of photography
for various agencies in some strange circumstances. My wife
threatened to leave me if I did not get out of that work so I
quit for her and the kids. I still miss it.
I don't buy that, JM. "....supporter
of successive US administrations who are raining terror on their
own American people." I did not support Bill Clinton
and consider him and his wife to be Commie SOBs. We screwed up
in bombing the aspirin factory -- acknowledged. Bad move. I don't
know why we did that. Not in the "plan."
The Chinese embassy was no mistake. That was deliberate no matter
how badly how our leaders apologized and beat their breasts over
it. They had it coming and I'm sure the survivors of Tianamen
Square at least smiled. They are NOT our friends even if
our governments kowtows to them. Tell you what, we sure
don't feel terrorized by our government -- just cheated out of
tax dollars poorly spent.
McVeigh never said those words
about being a Crusader. He didn't say much of anything and
went calmly to his deserved death. He was a SOLDIER. WACO was
a travesty and the very WORST of America. Those poor people and
NOBODY is being held accountable. Clinton and Janet Reno should
be in prison for that debacle. The ATF had no legal right to be
there that day and start that fiasco. Tanks against civilians!!
WE DON'T DO THAT in this country -- but WE DID THAT DAY!! (JM Comment: He fails to
see the contradiction in his stand of the previous para!!) Insane and criminal. Koresh was a clown
but so what? He wasn't bothering anybody.
I know -- the election was
kind of farbed up. However, recounts have proven he did
win in Florida. Our Electoral College needs to be abolished. It
just doesn't work anymore. There was so much corruption on both
sides of that mess and I'm glad it's over. Chicago here voted
more people for Gore than what we have in population! It's just
a mess...I agree. Bush is still legally president and I'm glad
of that much. Popular mandate is not how it works with an Electoral
College -- see above. Needs work.
ABM treaties -- we had one
with Russia and we scrapped all of our Nuke missiles around our
major cities and Russia never removed one lousy rocket.
That's why we don't like anti-defensive missile treaties. They
still have thousands and we have none. We are not building
any nuclear weapons. Haven't been for years. We've torn up all
of underground silos with the big ICBM's in them....gone.
I've seen it. I've been there when even I could shot for going
through the wrong gate and now it's all wide open. And, we are
worried about India and Pakistan blowing up each other. Not good
for the cows, either.
I've got to get some work down
around here and do what I'm paid for. More later.
I'll keep working on this "book" of yours. Peace,
love and joy ....
The NEWC
JM Comment: The NEWC continues
his conspiracy theory, but not when it comes to the election of
his nominee as President of the US, George W. Bush.
Email No. 13
From: JM
Sent: 9/25/01 19:39 +0000
To: The NEWC
Subject: Re: Me again
Hi The NEWC,
We are out of
tune - I think you have to catch up on one mail - so I
will hold my reply to your last post till you do so.
I will then tell
you a story about BBC, my wife and Waco.
Anyway, I had
a good laugh about your logic about Gore and Clinton being
Commies (and by corollary, George Bush not being one). Coming
from a
land which we have had several democratically elected Commie Governments
with an active electorate of over 25 million and virtually 100%
literacy, it seemed the other way round to me.
Probably the worst
enemy of the US is Microsoft and Bill Gates. Not the
Taliban or Osama Bin Laden. We can discuss that a little later
after you
take a look at the latest virus alert. Is this the 73000 virus
for the
Windows platform? Germ warfare at its very best.
- W32.Vote.A@mm
is a mass-mailing worm that is written in Visual Basic.
When executed, it will email itself out to all email addresses
in the
Microsoft Outlook address book. The worm will insert two .vbs
files on
the system, and it will also attempt to delete files from several
anti virus products.
- It requires
the file Msvbvm50.dll to execute.
- When executed,
the worm will attempt to email itself to all contacts in
the Microsoft Outlook address book. The email will appear as
follows.
- Subject:
Fwd:Peace BeTweeN AmeriCa and IsLaM!
Message:
Hi
iS iT A waR Against AmeriCa Or IsLaM !?
Let's Vote To Live in Peace!
Attachment: WTC.EXE
- Next, the
worm will insert two .vbs files on the system:
- \\ZaCker.vbs
- \\MixDaLaL.vbs
- In addition,
the worm will attempt to download and execute a file. This
file is detected as Backdoor.Trojan by Norton Antivirus.
- Finally,
the worm will attempt to delete all files from several folders.
These folders appear to be the default installation folders for
several
antivirus products. For Norton AntiVirus, this worm will only
attempt to
delete the files if Norton Antivirus is located in C:\Program
Files\Norton AntiVirus.
Regards
JM
Email No. 14
From: The NEWC
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:55:02 -0400
To: JM
Subject:RE:Me again
Hi! Agreed. We're out of tune.
My computer was down yesterday and I wrote my treatise on why
America is God's gift to the free world. I have several
pages of your material to catch up on. I'm at work and cannot
devote ALL day to it. You cover a lot ground in a hurry.
The NEWC
Email No. 15
From: The NEWC
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:03:36 -0400
To: JM
Subject:RE:Me again
Did you get any of that.
I hit the right button on my mouse and the screen went blank!!
Email No. 16
From: The NEWC
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2001 6:41:05 PM Europe/Helsinki
To: JM
Subject: Re: Hello JM
Oh my. Our views are at such
opposite poles. How can two educated people in this world be so
diametrically opposed? Makes me wonder.
Yes, I agree somewhat with
Gordon Sinclair. We are the first to help and share. It's our
nature, I guess.
Of course America was not the
only country to fight WW I but Europe was whipped by the Kaiser
(Caesar) until we arrived to stop the killing. How did America
profit from that? And we lost a lot of good men fighting someone
else's war, too. A lot of them died from disease before they got
to the fight. Fair? Should we not have fed Somalia or stopped
the Serbs from murdering Bosnians?
Yes, to our everlasting shame, we did create Saddam and Bin Laden
-- again trying -- at least in Laden's case -- the keep them from
being mauled by the Soviets. (JM Comment: Again he is unable to see the fallacy
of his arguments!! Why arm a Saudi to fight Russians in Afghanistan
- is that not American state sponsored terrorism?) Yes, and then the bastard turned on
us. Like, who knew? He's ticked off because we kicked Saddam out
of Kuwait? Somebody had to stop the bloodshed AND, YES, keep the
oil flowing. Saddam was killing Turks and Kurds before we got
there. He didn't need our help to do that.
I totally disagree about people
coming to America -- one of the main reasons is to EAT, not just
freedom. And you should see what we lavish upon them -- interest
free loans to buy businesses, food stamps (welfare) and tax shelters
for seven years. Americans can't get that. I'm an Army veteran
and I can't get that deal. My wife is a Colonel's daughter and
she can't get it. You could, just by coming over here.
Yes, I have thought about why
the Berlin wall was built and I used to be engaged to a West Berliner
so I do have "insider" knowledge about it. That wall
was not built just to keep me from buying a beer in East Berlin.
How many good people died trying to escape from East to West?
Why did West Berliners NOT try to scale the wall going IN? Come
on, JM.
How could we possibly profit
from Somalia, Bosnia, rat holes in Africa (the Dutch have all
the gold and the highly inflated diamond market) North Korea,
etc., etc. I don't even want to VISIT those places let alone steal
from them.
AIDS did not start over here
and it's rampant in Africa where it did start. I'll bet you don't
visit Amsterdam, if you catch my drift. Greek style, anyone? Yes,
we have our "homosexual colonies" over here but it is
NOT the American lifestyle. However, I will admit that I have
to write a letter to a former girl friend today. She later married,
had three kids and is now a lesbian. Go figure.
I really think you are reaching
deep down to blame us for tornadoes and earth quakes. The pre-Columbian
Indians told us about "Hurry Canes" when we arrived
and Krakatoa wasn't our fault nor Pompeii! We didn't consign Atlantis
to the depths. Point is, all those natural disasters happened
long before our little 200 year history.
I do agree with you about McDonalds.
If you think that's bad, wait until somebody shoves a Walmart
up your kiester. No, I'm not just being crude and rude. Walmart
is a disaster of its own and wipes out loads of local merchants
and people flock to it like cows to the barn at milking time.
WE do NOT patronize McD's or Walmart.
Nope -- I've noticed the G7
riots, too. And I, for one, do not fully understand it. I'm really
not that attuned to what the G7 wants, does, etc., and so I don't
know what all the protests are about. The reason? I have to work
for a living. When I come home I play with my trains, dogs, computer,
wife, TV, books, magazines, etc. We go to a lot of movies and
eat out a lot.
But, now she's lost her job
because her left knee gave out and we will have to tighten the
belt some.
People butchered by American
policies? Now, my head isn't that far in the sand. We had nothing
to with the Holocaust, starving the Armenians, or 50 million Chinese,
or the millions in Cambodia by Pol Pot, or the Tutsies and Hutus
in Africa or the Dutch farmers in South Africa, I would imprison
Desmond Tutu if given the chance and never allow him to see daylight
again. He and his girlfriend.
Oh yeh, the Muslims hate our
lifestyle so much they were swilling down the booze and gambling
and throwing money around like so many leaves before they attacked
us.
Why are two little American girls in a Taliban prison for being
Christian and could be be-headed for entering a Muslim house,
or carrying a bible or mentioning the name of Jesus? They could
just as easily be from England or France.
I've read The Ugly American
and I know about a little about how the food we donate is repackaged
and all American markings are removed. I know the Taliban has
confiscated 14,000 tons of food for its own use while the people
starve. Yes,
and I know about American steel companies who buy Jap steel, wipe
off the markings and sell it to unsuspecting customers as domestic
steel and then cry about illegal dumping on our markets. (JM Comment: This was news
to me!! If the Americans can do this, why not the rest of the
world?)
Also, remember that I said
we have the most corrupt government in the world and I know it.
We try to vote them out and new ones take over. But I will not
stand by and watch 6,000 people murdered and billions of dollars
of property destroyed and our economy in a shambles over some
sandrat in Afghanistan. We will pound them all into the dust of
history.
Yes, we are a powerful nation
but we have only been here for a couple of hundred years and we
come from England, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Greece, Hungary, Poland
...... from every country in the World Atlas. We sure got big
in a hurry. But according to my Western Civilization text book,
the world hated the Romans, the Goths, Genghis Khan, the English,
the French, the Moors, long before our forefathers landed here
and started making homes out of the wilderness. And now we've
been messed with and John Wayne will ride again ..... this will
not go unanswered.
By the by -- they've shut down
a lot of incoming e-mail at work because of Nimda or some other
worm so I might not be receiving you at .......... Sorry.
And again, peace, love and
joy ..........
The NEWC
JM Comment:
Here he is totally confused and out of his depth - he has no knowledge
of African politics or American strategy to gain control of vital
resources in Africa. He avoids major issues as support for Mobutu
and loses his reasoning in trying to implicate Bishop Desmond
Tutu. And he comes back to his hobby horse - America is run by
John Wayne and the movie moguls. He also comes to the opinion
about how educated he is and tries to bring me round to considering
how educated I am. This does not bite with me.
Email No. 17
From: The NEWC
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2001 6:42:20 PM Europe/Helsinki
To: JM
Subject: Re: Hello JM
Wow! That one almost choked
my computer going out!! This machine is only about 11 years old!
Have a great weekend.
The NEWC
Email No. 18
From: JM
Date: 30/09/2001, 4.49 +0000
To: The NEWC
Subject: Re: Hello JM
Hi The NEWC,
If you had a 1991
Apple Mac PowerBook 170, as I have, that post would not have choked
your computer. That is my workhorse computer which has been running
non-stop for the last 6 years (it is never switched off). It has
a 25 (upgraded to 33) MHz processor, a 160 MB Hard Disk, 8 MB
of RAM (16 MB with 8 MB virtual RAM) switched on, and external
Hard Disk of 10 GB, an internal and external modem (I use the
33 kbs external modem for my internet connection) and it does
not have a single Microsoft product on it - so it has been totally
trouble free running System 7.6.
My second computer
is a 350 MHz Apple iMac with 320 MB RAM, a 6 GB internal Hard
Disk with a 20 GB external hard disk, and running Mac System 9.1
and System OSX, depending on which programmes I want to run. It
has a 56 kbs internal modem. (My ADSL connection should be done
any day now. I am waiting for the phone company to turn up to
set it up.) This newer machine still has a few bugs, probably
because I have to run some Microsoft software on it, mainly to
check how my web pages look on an Internet Explorer browser.
I am a computer
idiot - I do not know the difference between Apples and Tomatoes
as far as computers are concerned - but follow one golden rules
- stay away from Microsoft products.
I have read your
first email of yesterday with great interest. The answers to two
sentences I think answers it all:
- ***
> "How can two educated people in this world be so
> diametrically opposed? Makes me wonder."
***
What is education?
Is it the ability,
not to get some university degrees - I have a few of them from
around the world - but to see the world as it is from the point
of view of other people.
I was brought
up on 1930-40 US editions of Readers Digests, Superman,
Tom Mix, Lone Ranger, Roy Rogers and Dale Evans, Gene Autry, Hopalong
Cassidy and numerous other American comic book. But I also read
Dickens, Shakespeare, Lamb, and other authors as R. K. Narayan,
during my early years. Plus I imbibed my own culture where we
were taught that all people were equal in the sight of God - and
my classmates and dear friends included, Hindus, Muslims, Parsis,
Indian Jews (of Iraqi and North African origins), Jains, Sikhs,
Americans, Yugoslavians, English, Anglo-Indians, Orthodox Christians,
Anglicans, Catholics.
I learnt to appreciate
the music of Joan Baez, Bob Dylan and the Beatles, as much as
I liked the music of Sibelius, Tchaikovsky, Bach, Beethoven to
the sitar of Ravi Shankar and the violin of Yehudi Menuhin.
42 years after
leaving school, out of my 110 odd schoolmates, I am in touch with
over 60 of them and they are located around the world, some working
in the World Bank, some in the UN, some professors in institutions
as Oxford University, a Nobel Prize nominee, some retired now
(as a VP of IBM (US)), some multi-millionaires, others living
of their earned pensions.
So the views I
obtain are from all corners of the world from a cross-section
of people who have learned to respect each other and our differences
of opinion on a variety of subjects.
To me that is
a small portion of my education.
Not only am I
the focus of my classmates, but over a 1000 of my old school students
of all ages from 1949 school leavers to students in the year 2001
now have become eager recipients of my newsletters. One drives
a Ferrari on the backroads of CA and we discuss the Formula 1
scene with the merits and fortunes of Mika Hakkinen and Michael
Schumacher, and other car racing circuits with the same amount
of interest in each others lives as I do matters of music and
literature with my former physics teacher who lives in Canada
and is now retired.
To me, your opinion
represents such a narrow view of life that I query the word -
"education" used by you.
I feel that at
my age of 58 I am not yet educated as I am still learning from
people everyday - right from my grandson aged 4+ to people like
you. I handle close to 300 emails every morning and never leave
one unacknowledged till the next day.
You, on the other
hand, feel that you are American and educated!!
I think that is
the basic difference between us.
As regards the
other points in your earlier email - I will answer them in detail
in my next post in hopefully 2 days time. My grandson has a rigourous
schedule for his granddad later today. It is 4:50 am in Oulu just
now and I am preparing his office room next to mine in the cellar
after finishing clearing my morning post.
Best regards
JM
Email No. 19
From: The NEWC
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2001 2:38:46 AM Europe/Helsinki
To: JM
Subject: Re: Hello JM
I didn't say that because I
am an American I am educated and that all Americans are educated.
I am an educated American and I too hold several university degrees
and taught both high school and at a university in Chicago. We
used to have a Catholic priest from India come to our home after
Mass at St. John's in Glenwood where I was the organist at the
time. He was studying at the Chicago Theological Union. Together
we mapped out a program to bring Indian youth to America, place
them with families until they at least finished high school, and
would then have the option of returning to India to help their
people or continuing on here. It failed for lack of financial
backing.
Most of America, like most
of the world, wallows in a painful lack of formal education. We
only have about 60 to 65% literacy in this country. Many - too
many - homes have but one parent. Our "ghettos" are
a shambles. But, in this land of opportunity, even they can rise
above their position in life and attain fame and fortune.
My old computer is an IBM clone
made by "INFINITI" but I bought it from a local computer
store down in Salem, Indiana, Very expensive at the time -- over
$3,000.
It was 8 mhz with a "turbo
boost" to 25 mhz with 8 mgs. RAM and a 40 mg hard drive and
9 mg hard drive. Now it cooks along at 133 mhz, 64 mgs RAM and
a 4.2 gig hard drive with a Pentium processor. I had it upgraded
twice now.
Anyway, at age 59, I do not
consider my education to be complete and would love to be a full
time student as well as teacher. I found the best way to learn
a subject is to teach it. Worked for me. I am not into philosophy
and psychology.
I don't see how you can judge
my views to be so narrow when we have discussed so little. What
I am is a patriotic American who sees his country in trouble and
I sure didn't cause it and there is precious little I can do about
it. The sudden wave of patriotism over here now really bothers
me. What is coming bothers me even more and few can see it.
I've got to go...... see you
later.
The NEWC
JM Comment:
He is caught between the devil and the deep blue sea as he has
to run from his position of how educated Americans are to that
HE is educated. An even worse assertion from him. He has left
his defences wide open for me to move in.
Email No. 20
From: The NEWC
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 3:06:49 PM Europe/Helsinki
To: JM
Subject: FW: FW: Fw: Cool Graphic
Hey, JM, to hear part of your
former country took a hit from these bad boys. Now that's something
you cannot blame on America but I do think you'll agree that terrorism
against defenseless civilians must be stopped. Rome airport??
Peace, brother
--
The NEWC
-----Original Message-----
From: Friend 1
To: The NEWC and Multiple Recipients
Sent: 10/1/01 1:58 PM
Subject: FW: FW: Fw: Cool Graphic
JM Comment:
He tries to break in with some "Americanism" with his
forwarding of a picture - which to me makes no sense!! I do not
share the same values as shown in the picture - but he cannot
understand that. There are only categories of people - those who
love America and others who are enemies of America.
Email
No. 21
From: JM
Date: 02/10/2001, 15.41 +0000
To: The NEWC
Subject: Re:FW:FW:FW:Cool Graphic
Hi The NEWC,
- > Hey, JM,
those of us with a country to honor and love
> and defend feel this way when we are attacked. Also
very
> sorry to hear part of your former country took a hit from
> this bad boys.
I do not have
any former country or present country or future country. I have
all countries as my brothers and sisters and anyone/any country
that does wrong should be tried and punished - including whom
you may defend on patriotic basis. There can be no excuse as collateral
damage under which guise the US gets away with Blue Murder. That
includes the US pilot who killed Ghaddafi's daughter.
For every child
which loses its leg to an mine, the US (or any other country)
should pay damages in millions - not hide under the cheap rhetoric.
And the politician/army officer who ordered that mine placement
and the battalion that laid that mine should pay from his/their
own pockets and not from the State exchequer.
I think then we
will have a different ball game.
- > Now that's
something you cannot blame on America but
> I do think you'll agree that terrorism against defenseless
> civilians must be stopped. Rome airport??
I do not accept
any terrorism and least of all state sponsored terrorism, in which
the US, without doubt, especially through its covert operations,
is the No. 1 offender. Take any country in the world and you will
find US sponsored covert terrorist activities against legitimate
governments. And that includes against the US citizens themselves
in the US.
Regards
JM
JM Comment:
I move my attack from patriotism to globalism. The NEWC is lost.
Email No. 22
From: The NEWC
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 3:07:35 PM Europe/Helsinki
To: JM
Subject: FW: Come out and Play
If you don't smile when you
view this!!!!! You are not a revengeful person!
The NEWC
-----Original Message-----
From: Friend Y
To: The NEWC and Multiple Recipients
Sent: 9/27/01 11:34 AM
Subject: FW: Come out and Play
JM Comment:
More attempt at American humour!! I do not understand it!!
Email No. 23
From: The NEWC
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 3:09:21 PM Europe/Helsinki
To: JM
Subject: FW: Air Force Come and Flatten your home
Attachments: There is 1 attachment
-----Original Message-----
From: Friend 3
To: Multiple Recipients
Sent: 10/1/01 10:08 AM
Subject: FW: Air Force Come and Flatten your home
-----Original Message-----
From: Friend 2
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:28 AM
To: Multiple Recipients
Subject: Fw: Air Force Come and Flatten your home
I
can't open this here at work -- my DSL doesn't support it - strictly
business, you know..... but, this typifies the feelings around
America. NEWC
----- Original Message -----
From: Friend1
To: Multiple Recipients
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 3:43 PM
Subject: Fw: Air Force Come and Flatten your home
>
> > Air Force Come and Flatten your home
>
<<Air Force Come
and Flatten your home.mp3>>
FILE NOT RECEIVED
JM Comment:
I do not get this attachment, not that it would have mattered,
anyway.
Email No. 24
From: The NEWC
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 3:10:49 PM Europe/Helsinki
To: JM
Subject: FW: Montana Fire Picture
Attachments: There is 1 attachment
Then again, we can sometimes
find beauty in tragedy.
NEWC
-----Original Message-----
From: Friend 4
To: The NEWC
Sent: 10/23/00 2:45 PM
Subject: FW: Montana Fire Picture
This awesome picture was taken
in Bitteroot National Forest in Montana on August 6, 2000.
The photographer, John McColgan, is a fire behavior analyst from
Fairbanks, Alaska. He took the picture with a digital camera.
Because he was working at the time he took the picture he cannot
profit from it; however, the picture is a once-in-a-lifetime
shot and should be shared.
JM Comment:
Why he brings this in seems quite oblique to me. I wondered whether
he would consider some great photographic shots of the World Trade
Center being rammed by the planes beauty in tragedy?
Email No. 25
From: The NEWC
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 08:22:11 -0400
To: JM
Subject: RE:I'm Proud To Be An American
Good morning, JM. This sums
up the way we feel about it over here.
God Bless
--
The NEWC
-----Original Message-----
To: The NEWC
Sent: 10/24/01 6:26 AM
Subject: FW: I'm Proud To Be An American.
Broken Arrow, Oklahoma School officials removed "God Bless
America"
signs from schools in fear that someone might be offended.
Channel 12 News in Long Island, New York, orders flags removed
from the newsroom and red, white, and blue ribbons removed from
the lapels of reporters. Why? Management did not want to appear
biased and felt that our nation's flag might give the appearance
that "they lean one way or another".
Berkeley, California bans U.S. Flags from being displayed on
city
fire trucks because they didn't want to offend anyone in the
community.
In an "act of tolerance" the head of the public library
at Florida
Gulf Coast University ordered all "Proud to be an American"
signs
removed so as to not offend international students.
I, for one, am quite disturbed by these actions of so-called
American citizens; and I am tired of this nation worrying about
whether or not we are offending some individual or their culture.
Since the terrorist attacks on September 11, we have experienced
a
surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However, the
dust
from the attacks had barely settled in New York and Washington
D.C.
when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining
about the
possibility that our patriotism was offending others.
I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against
anyone
who is seeking a better life by coming to America. In fact, our
country's population is almost entirely comprised of descendants
of immigrants; however, there are a few things that those who
have
recently come to our country, and apparently some native Americans,
need to understand.
First of all, it is not our responsibility to continually try
not
to offend you in any way. This idea of America being a multicultural
community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national
identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society,
our
own language, and our own lifestyle. This culture, called the
"American Way" has been developed over centuries of
struggles, trials,
and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
Our forefathers fought, bled, and died at places such as Bunker
Hill, Antietam, San Juan, Iwo Jima, Normandy, Korea, Vietnam,
We
speak English, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian,
or
any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of
our
society -- learn our language!
"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not
some
off-the-wall, Christian, Right Wing, political slogan -- it is
our
national motto. It is engraved in stone in the House of
' Representatives in our Capitol and it is printed on our currency.
We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on
Christian principles, founded this nation; and this is clearly
documented throughout our history. If it is appropriate for our
motto to be inscribed in the halls of our highest level of
Government, then it is certainly appropriate to display it on
the
walls of our schools.
God is in our pledge, our National Anthem, nearly every patriotic
song, and in our founding documents. We honor His birth, death,
and resurrection as holidays, and we turn to Him in prayer in
times
of crisis. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another
part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our
culture and we are proud to have Him.
We are proud of our heritage and those who have so honorably
defended
our freedoms. We celebrate Independence Day, Memorial Day, Veterans
Day, and Flag Day. We have parades, picnics, and barbecues where
we
proudly wave our flag. As an American, I have the right to wave
my
flag, sing my national anthem, quote my national motto, and cite
my
pledge whenever and wherever I choose. If the Stars and Stripes
offend
you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider
a move to another part of this planet.
The American culture is our way of life, our heritage, and we
are
proud of it. We are happy with our culture and have no desire
to
change, and we really don't care how you did things where you
came
from. We are Americans, like it or not, this is our country,
our
land, and our lifestyle.
Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express
his
opinion about our government, culture, or society, and we will
allow
you every opportunity to do so. But once you are done complaining,
whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national
motto,
or our way of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of
one other
great American freedom, the right to leave.
====================================
Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord. Praise
ye the Lord.
Psa. 150:6
====================================
JM Comment
: Now here has come the classic line of all intolerant defeatists
- if you cannot agree with them, then you had better quit!!
Email No. 26
From: JM
Date: 24/10/2001, 17:28 +0000
To: The NEWC
Subject: RE:I'm Proud To Be An American
- ***
> "In God We Trust" is our national motto. This
is not
> some off-the-wall, Christian, Right Wing, political slogan
> -- it is our national motto. It is engraved in stone in
the
> House of Representatives in our Capitol and it is printed
> on our currency. We adopted this motto because Christian
men
> and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation;
> and this is clearly documented throughout our history.
> If it is appropriate for our motto to be inscribed in the
> halls of our highest level of Government, then it is
> certainly appropriate to display it on the walls
> of our schools.
***
The Bible has
a few commandments which I think American "Christian"
should try to understand:
1. Thou shalt
not kill.
2. Love thy neighbour as thyself.
3. When smitten show the other cheek.
American "Christians"
killed off 90% of the indigenous Indian population to establish
America, brought slaves by killing hundreds of thousands of them
in transit, and then treated them worse than dogs to establish
this Great "democratic" America.
Now these same
"Christians" want to kill of the rest of the world to
establish the American "Christian" Way of life as a
superpower.
What immaturity.
Get a life, The NEWC.
If you Americans
are so sincere "Christians", then station every available
Boeing 747 on the borders of Afghanistan and fly out every refugee
caused by the American bombing to your great "Christian"
country and look after them rather than pumping them into another
third world country to live like rats while Americans enjoy their
great way of life, polluting this earth.
Otherwise, you
are no worse than Osama Bin Laden, and I mean every single one
of the patriotic Americans who have established America by killing
off the indigenous population!!
- ***
> ====================================
> Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord.
> Praise ye the Lord. Psa. 150:6
> ====================================
***
The American objective
obviously is to destroy everyone else so that only "Christian
Americans" hath breath to praise their Lord of Death!!
As I said, The
NEWC, take of your blinkers and get a life.
Your present great
"democratically elected" President was not going to
ratify the Chemical Weapons Treaty - and now you are getting a
dose of his arrogance.
And now he wants
to prepare a new chemicals weapons treaty - why the dickens should
anyone accept a treaty framed by this stupid man whose face changes
every time the wind changes direction?
Regards
JM
JM Comment:
Now his jaw is fully exposed for my ko punch - he brings Christianity
into his arguments, not realising that I am probably more Christian
than him!!
Email No. 27
From: The NEWC
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:24:23 -0400
To: JM
Subject: I'm still proud, but...
I'll start with the slavery
thing......
There are no slaves in American
and haven't been for nearly 150 years. The Confederates had slaves
and we fought a war to end that slavery. My family never owned
any slaves. My great-grandfather and his brothers fought in the
War Between the States (I still have his rifle at home) where
over a quarter of a million American soldiers died to free those
slaves. We had an American president -- Mr. Lincoln - murdered
over the slavery issue he thought he had settled.
The myth of slaves being dumped
overboard is as fictitious as the one about the Europeans shooting
the black men out of the sky who were flying around the pyramids.
Louis Farakan and his Nation of Islam claim that two million slaves
were dumped overboard en route from Africa. What nonsense.
If the average price of a slave was $1,000 at the time, that would
be two BILLION dollars in "cargo" dumped over board.
That does not compute.
American slaves were actually
quite well treated. A few were raped and some were beaten but
a good slave cost more than good horse back in those days.
But, I repeat, there is no slavery in America BUT there is still
slavery going on in many parts of the world today and that is
what we need to direct our hostility towards. Tell me that
a woman in the Taliban culture is well off.
The refugees from Afghanistan
have been pouring into Pakistan long before September 11. You
see, I think it strange they would rush to Pakistan with the war
with India heating up. I would think they would be afraid of the
Indian Army more than the American Army. American is also
flying mission after mission to help feed the Afghan people.
Sorry about the turning the
other cheek here but we are not going to turn away and left them
take out as many buildings as they want to over here.
Speaking of bombing buildings
... I saw on TV how they were showing hovels they were claiming
as having been destroyed by American bombs yet small tree and
weeds were growing up through the rubble ... bombed yesterday?
I don't think so. Maybe ten years ago from the Russians...
We are not forcing Christianity
on anyone ... those girls in the Afghan prison were not forcing
Christ on them but are in jail for saying the name. That's punishable
by death over there you know ... I wonder how Buddha would fare
there ... oh, yeh, they blew up all the images, even those that
were 1,500 years old. Guess even Buddha lost.
Be it agreed -- Americans two
centuries ago killed off the Native Americans for their land.
Doesn't mean I like it not that it was right. It was WRONG and
I agree with you. But I do wonder why someone with your
abilities is not back home in India helping your old friends and
family there and I am still interested in hearing about you wife's
WACO connection,
Yes, third world nations live
like rats and rats do turn on each other and eat each other when
food runs low. These people have had their cultures for
hundreds and even thousands of years and little America has only
been around for a little over 200 hundred years and look what
we've accomplished while giving away BILLIONS to help other little
countries around the world.
I have a life. Pretty good
one by most standards. Own my own home, lovely and loving wife,
two cars, two tractors (but God only knows why I have tractors
now) and two dogs who live VERY well.
Must admit I know NOTHING about
a chemical weapons treaty going on around here. I know we've got
a bunch of junk that's been stored around here since World War
II they are afraid is going to leak out and can't safely get rid
of it.
I guessing that Cathedral didn't
sit too well with you. Gotta go ... best ...
The NEWC
JM Comment:
The NEWC's irrationality now sees no bounds - as he moves to try
to defend the indefensible by denying facts.
Email No. 28
From: The NEWC
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:01:13 -0400
To: JM
Subject: Good morning, JM
I hope you're feeling better
today. I thought I might relate a true story to you about
my family back in the early days of the Wild West and the American
Indian.
Owen Hardy married my great-grandfather's
sister, Catherine, and they moved from New York to Wisconsin in
about 1860. At that time Wisconsin was considered "The West"
and was the frontier. Owen and Catherine found work at a
sawmill where he was a "rafter" and she was a cook.
A rafter floated logs and/or sawn lumber from the mill to the
city.
Owen bought some land and built
a log cabin there and started selling produce to the sawmill.
He had a "sweet water" spring on that land and the next
thing he knew, ten Indian families moved on the land that winter.
Owen and Catherine would invite them in to sleep in the house
on cold winter nights and the Indians would often leave a deer
or a barrel of fish in the porch.
The log cabin grew to be a
large five bedroom house on the main road to Green Bay, Wisconsin,
and became the local hotel for missionaries, mail carriers and
travelers and, of course, the Indians were still camped out back.
I guess they didn't mind sleeping with Owen's pet bear.
Owen made a good living hauling
lumber, produce and barrels of salted fish to Green Bay and owned
the finest carriage and horse teams in the county. Many of my
family credited the Indians with helping them through their first
winters in Wisconsin, which are quite brutal.
The point is, my family would
have been "Indian Lovers" not killers of the Indians.
The tribe up there is the Oneida and they are part of the Huron
nation. They are still up there as are descendants of Owen and
Catherine Hardy. If fact, the Oneidas have a huge casino
and every registered member of the tribe gets a check every month
for part ownership. One of our drivers, Sam Ninham, is an Oneida
from up there and we are good friends. He gets his checks. The
NEWCs, the Hardys and the Oneidas helped each other and worked
together in peace and friendship. It is written into our family
history and it happened 140 years ago.
In 1835, Governor Dodge of
the Wisconsin Territory, bought land from Chief Oshkosh and paid
the fair market price for it which I believe was $1 an acre at
the time. There were no bloody wars or uprisings in Wisconsin.
The treaty is known as "The Treaty of the Cedars." Should
be on the internet somewhere. They sure have a lot of historical
markers where it all happened.
And .... no The NEWCs EVER
owned any slaves nor do we care to do so today nor did we come
over here as indentured servants which is pretty much the same
as slavery except that it usually had a time limit ... and ..
it is a matter of public record that we fought to free the slaves.
But again, that was a long time ago and in this country it doesn't
much matter who your great-grand-daddy was. Heck, JM, one of my
ancestors is Charles I, King of England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales
and France. Didn't keep Parliament from cutting off his head and
it didn't get me a free scholarship to Oxford.
Have a good day and I wish
you peace... and ... I am NOT related to bin Ladin ... bye
....
The NEWC
or Thomas Harold Edward The NEWC(e) VII.
hence: THE NEWC
JM Comment:
I do not know whether this is an attempt at humour of whether
he really believes all this rubbish so as to glorify his ancestry.
However, it shows an attempt to create a venerated history when
none probably exists.¨
Email No. 29
From: JM
Date: 26/10/2001, 23:03 +0000
To: The NEWC
Subject: Re:I'm still proud, but...
Dear The NEWC,
It appears that
history that one does not like and is not convenient is to be
trashed - be it by the "Hindu" Hindutva in India or
by "Christian" Americans that inherited the "Christian"
slave trade legacy in America.
- "The
myth of slaves being dumped overboard is as fictitious...."
You sound just
like the neo-Nazis who say that there was not a single gas chamber
in Germany during World War II. Or the neo-Mussolinists who claim
that that Mussolini was God's gift to Italy!! Or the Japanese....
Next, in a couple
of decades will you be saying that America did not drop a single
Napalm Bomb in Vietnam?
Yes, it appears
that just like beauty, history is in the eyes of the beholder!!
I think your geography
about India, Pakistan and Afghanistan is a rather poor.
If they are fleeing
the Indian Army from Afghanistan - then they are moving from the
frying pan into the fire as they are moving straight towards the
Indian Army!!.
Wonderful how
like in Kuwait, "democratic" America teams up with a
non-democratic leader of Pakistan to fight another non-democratic
country!!
Destroy Pakistan
if Americans are so concerned about democracy.
Be honest - Americans
care damn about democracy, just the plain "American way of
life" at the expense of others. Americans are ready to team
up with the devil to get their way. That seems to be the "American
Christian" way. And in most cases, Americans create yet another
devil in the process - as it is convenient for them.
The refugees have
been pouring into Pakistan ever since the British persecuted the
Afghans, and later the Americans and the Russia decided to make
Afghanistan a bone of contention in the Cold War - and neither
have cared a damn about the Afghan people.
Take care of the
refugees and war victims that Americans create, then people will
respect the American way of life. Go after the persons from America
who cause the death of innocent civilians, and do not protect
them just because they are American pilots.
Donating American
surplus food stocks grown at the expense of polluting the world
is hardly a comfort for people who have lost their fathers, mothers,
grandfathers or children.
Do you think that
Osama Bin Laden should air drop floral wreathes daily using his
billions of dollars of wealth got from selling oil and heroin
to the Americans to the families of those who lost loved ones
in the WTC bombing? Great comfort that would be!!
So, it appears
that the American "Christian" way is to take parts of
the Bible which is convenient for their way of life and trash
the inconvenient!!
What are the Americans
bombing in Afghanistan - Red Cross food storage dumps and killing
aid workers and civilians - this collateral damage is acceptable
to Americans when it happens outside America to other nationalities
but they cannot accept the collateral damage that happens to Americans
within America when it is a reaction to the disliked "American
way of life".
The NEWC, think
for a minute - Why are Americans hated around the world if they
are giving so much in aid?
Americans are
giving nothing in "aid".
The NEWC - look
carefully in the statistics and America always takes back double
of what it gives.
Even the UN Headquarters
gives to the US and New York economy almost double of the so-called
US contribution to the UN, which contribution it never makes
on time and holds the UN at ransom to get it . See the answer
UN Secretary General Kofi Annan gave me, personally, on BBC a
couple of years ago on the Talking Point programme and the associated
references. You will find it somewhere on my site archives that
you trashed initially. (JM Comment: See the section Late
Late News in Findians Briefings.)
I am afraid you
do not seem to know how American missionaries work, The NEWC.
Armchair discussions are not worth a dime. Get around and see
what some missionaries have been and are doing in third world
countries.
- ***
> "I have a life. Pretty good one by most standards.
Own
> my own home, lovely and loving wife, two cars, two
> tractors (but God only knows why I have tractors now)
> and two dogs who live VERY well. "
***
The NEWC, you
have an American way of life, guzzling cheap petrol got from dictators
who crush their own people to keep the American way of life evaporating,
polluting the atmosphere so that the rest of the world, all 190
other countries can go to hell so long as the American way of
life is preserved. Great idea of democracy that the Americans
seem to have.
Cathedral has
taught me not to accept what you say as gospel truth - and for
that I am grateful. It has taught me that I am NOT educated. I
have to study and try to see the other person's point of view
. But, to say it honestly, I cannot agree with the American
point of view in spreading aggression around America or the world
to serve its own interests. Maybe that is why the rest of the
world has to live like rats.
Think for a moment,
what if 1 billion Indians each had two gas guzzling cars and
they were given petrol at the price you pay for it? And what about
a billion and a half Chinese also having 2 cars each!!
Do you think for
a moment that America will continue to get even one ounce of oil?
If every Indian
drinks just one more cup of tea a day - there will be no tea for
America!! Then won't we have to bomb those selfish tea guzzling
Indians to preserve the American tea drinking way of life
- won't we, The NEWC?
The NEWC, India,
Finland, UK are my homes as also, America, where I have many many
relatives, Germany, Australia, Malaysia, Kuwait, Japan, and many
other countries where I have dear friends of all nationalities.
I am patriotic
to all people who have aspirations for peace - not to India or
America who are war-mongering. Let us give up the facade which
says that anyone is prepared to die for their country - they are
not - they are only prepared to KILL FOR IT!!
What is happening
is the false notion of patriotism - it is another form of hate,
and that is what is indoctrinated in the Military Schools of yesterday
and today. Grown men want to play games with guns and missiles.
And it is sad and wrong for anyone to claim that it is "Buddhist",
"Christian, "Hindu" or "Muslim"".
What is happening
is in no way "Christian". American and most Americans
are as far from "Christianity" as is Osama Bin Laden
and the Taliban are from Islam. Both follow a religion of convenience.
I suggest you
read your "democratically-elected" President's utterings
on non-acceptance of the Chemical Weapons treaty as also his mouthings
on "unilateral withdrawal from the ABM treaty when it suits
American interests". He is the same goon who mouths words
of the American "Crusade" on one hand and then tries
to pacify "Muslims" by saying that there is no bone
of contention against "Muslims". What else is the meaning
of the "Christian" word of "Crusade". Is it
not the same as "Jihad"? Would you care to explain the
difference?
I will give you
the WACO reference, again somewhere on the site you trashed earlier,
at a later date as I am quite busy getting my new ADSL connection
at home working as it should. I am just installing System 9.2
and OS X10.1 and thereafter should have a even more stable operating
platform to run my own server. I just saw the Microsoft Windows
XP and I have not seen such a load of crap and they are doing
what we were doing on the Mac over 4 years ago - and doing it
badly!!
I am installing
System 10.1 so this outgoing message has been delayed. I will
be working to tune up my computer over the weekend and should
be back with regular communications by Monday.
Regards
JM
Email No. 30
From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:42:24 -0500
To: JM
Subject: Hello, JM
I'm going to have to do this
one in installments .. you sure covered a lot of ground.
Yes there were gas chambers
in Germany and I can accept the figure of 6 million Jews, BUT,
for every Jew who died there was a Lutheran or a Catholic
or a Gypsy or some other "unacceptable" person who was
in the same camp and turned to ash in the same ovens and the Jews
do not want to talk about that. If 200 million people died in
WW II then the Jews were only 2% of the kill. What about counting
the other 98%.
Yep, we dropped napalm in Korean
and Nam. I admit it because it is the truth, it happened and I
can't change that and I couldn't have changed it then. Guilty.
I may have worded that wrong
about the Afghans fleeing to the Indian army. What I mean
was, people have been fleeing Afghanistan for many years and Pakistan
is at War with India most of the time and India has nuclear weapons,
do they not? I thought I said that apparently they are not afraid
of the Indian army as much as they are the Talibans. I saw on
TV where the Taliban was showing where we nasty Americans had
bombed some poor man's hovel. Bunk! There were weeds and
small trees growing up through the dirt and rocks. It wasn't blown
up the last day, week month or year! AND, I don't understand
the war between India and Pakistan either.
Honestly, what can we hope
to gain from Afghanistan? (JM Comment: Obviously this man had not heard of
what was his Vice President's interest in Enron and Halliburton
and the pipeline through Afghanistan to feed the Enron plant in
Mumbai, and other oil advantages of gaining a foothold in Afghanistan!!) They've got nothing and never had anything
we want. The Taliban is not the duly elected government
there and have made those people lives miserable. They have murdered
thousands, starved regions to death, forced widows and orphans
into the streets to beg and then made it illegal to beg. Nice
folks. (JM
Comment: And so America has to intervene? Would The NEWC have
liked it if the Chinese had imntervened for the way the white
Americans were and are treating the blacks in their country?)
Okay, let's check history.
We started the Spanish - American war because we THOUGHT they
blew up our ship and we wanted the land. I know. Now we find out
the MAINE's coal bins ignited the powder room and BOOM! Of course
we found out a hundred years too late.
We did not start WW I or WW
II. The Japs attacked us because we didn't want them to
take Australia. Bummer. And what did we do after the war?
Hold that thought -- I'll be back.
The NEWC
JM Comment:
Now his anti-Semitism comes to the fore. I now understand he belongs
to the pro-MacArthur, anti-Truman lobby, where President Truman
was a traitor and in the hands of the Jews who were fostering
Communism!!
Email No. 31
From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:49:18 -0500
To: JM
Subject: Back for more...
Somalia -- what did we expect
to gain by going in and feeding those starving people? We knew
it was ruled by little warlords with their pretend kingdoms but
we fed the poor bastards and they murdered our men for it. We
get double back? Not there, surely. Mussolini attacked
Ethiopia and we went in and fed them too and now it looks as if
we're going to have to do it again.
I do not have a clue as what
the Russians expected to gain in Afghanistan. There is nothing
there -- no gold, oil or silver. Just a lot of hungry people
and camels. And we sure don't want the women!
"Spreading aggression
... " Sounds like a Marxist line to me. We were sitting here
comfortably at home, I thought we were minding our own business
and WHAM -- 6,000 dead people. (JM Comment: He may have been sitting at
home but whjat about all those FBI and CIA agents handling covert
operatuions around the world?)
That cannot go unanswered. You can only turn the other cheek until
your neck breaks. Clinton backed down and Bush I failed to finish
the job in the Gulf last time though I do understand his reasons
for letting Saddam off the hook. I don't like a guy who murders
tens of thousands of his own people. But, JM, what is your
solution to Saddam? He has murdered thousands of Kurds for WHAT?
Do we simply ignore that and say that is his business and his
people to kill as he wishes? Was Amin to be allowed to continue
eating his victims without interference? Saddam invaded
a sovereign nation and plundered it and then set fire to the oil
wells to cut the competition. Do we just let it alone and
say "Allah wills it"?
When our ship the COLE was
bombed and our sailors killed, we did NOTHING and look at what
NOTHING got us. (JM
Comment: And what was the Cole doing there in Arabian waters?)
I agree that we will not give
up our oil (JM
Comment: Whose oil?) UNTIL
we get smart enough to use hydrogen and solar power which just
happens to be one of the classes I taught at Chicago State University.
But, we should be getting our oil from Mexico and Russia and not
the Middle East. Did you know that all of the oil from Alaska
NEVER reaches the United States? It goes to Japan and other
Pacific Rim countries so we can buy oil from Iran and Saudi. Does
not make sense, does it?
Yes, everybody uses the Bible
and the Koran and the Talmud to suit their own purposes.
Shameful. But, it will never change.
Jihad - Crusade -- I wasn't
around when the Crusades began but it seems to me the main purpose
was to regain the lands TAKEN BY FORCE by the Muslims .... No/Yes?
When did they get the right to storm Jerusalem and take it?
The Crusades were a bungled mess. Crusade / Jihad
-- not much difference, although Americans do not consider this
mess to be a holy crusade. We are fighting IN Afghanistan:
we are NOT fighting Afghanistan. We are fighting the Taliban
who have not right or reason to be in Afghanistan nor murder /
starve the indigenous population there. May we now agree on that?
(JM Comment:
He wants me to agree that the Americans have the right to determine
every one elses future!!)
Gotta go .....
The NEWC
JM Comment:
His lack of knowledge of what came first - the chicken or the
egg - is evident.
Email
No. 32
From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:56:31 -0500
To: JM
Subject: Round Three
I hate doing this piece-meal
but this send won't send over 100K and people keep coming and
going ...
The collateral damage is a
crying shame and I'm sorry for it. Now we hear the Tallies
are putting tanks in schools and mosques. Shame that. They
could go home or they could surrender and stop killing the Afghans
seeing as how they don't belong there to begin with.
Now we hear the Muslims in
Iran don't like the Taliban either...and the Saudis want to stay
out of it because they are afraid of everybody. A retired police
officer from the Indiana State Police whom I once knew quite well,
was in Saudi Arabia a few years ago running and training their
army for them. Anyway, it is hard to tell the good guys
from the bad guys over there -- just like NAM -- but it still
a shame the innocent get killed. I'll bet we don't kill
nearly as many as the Taliban has. (JM Comment: Great to play a numbers game
of who kills more!!)
I'm sorry -- visitors again
.... must go ... back soon. ..
Best regards ...
The NEWC
Email No. 33
From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:02:09 -0500
To: JM
Subject: Round 4
I'm back -- sorry for the interruptions
but I am at work and I am the boss and people come to see me......
Missionaries next ...
Now there is something I know
NOTHING about. Ever since I was a kid, the nuns would have us
give up our nickles and dimes for the missionaries and once in
a while they would come and address the school about how important
their work was ..
BUT ..
I've got a feeling that you
are going to tell me they didn't just teach and give out medicine
and pray ... so here's an opportunity for me to learn something
new. Go for it.....
Back to the double or nothing
game ....
you say we get double for every
dollar we give ..
what did we gain out of India?
We gave billions in aid to India and all we got a flood of immigrants.
(JM Comment:
Flood of immigrants from India to the US. Now he is dreaming!!) Then we forgave the debt! What's in
that for me, Mr. Average American? Or for the government ... and
this in a country where they will starve to death before they
will eat a cow and will torch a wife if the family does not cough
up more dowry. Not too enlightened there. And who can ever forget
that great hit on the top music parade, "What's behind the
blouse?" Seems to me India has a few problems of its own
and what is the deal with Pakistan over some mountain pass? (JM Comment: He equates
Kashmir to a mountain pass - great level of knowledge.)
I have read the UGLY AMERICAN
and I do understand how things are twisted to make out that our
foreign aid comes from the Communists or we poisoned the grain
we sent .... .
I have an aunt who hated my
father. She was my mother's sister. They were quite poor
and we used to go down there (150 miles) on weekends and take
bags of groceries for them while they live in a garage that had
been made liveable for them. But she kept having babies anyway.
My folks fed them which means my sister and I had to do without
things .. no big deal .. My aunt always treated my dad rather
well in front of people and after Mom died she threw my father
and sister out of the house over who would put the marker on Mom's
grave and said my dad could not be buried in the family cemetery
for which he held the deed. I settled that argument ... I moved
my mother's grave to MY property. Fixed that little problem.
NOBODY tells me I can't bury my parents together. My dad
and aunt always sent each other birthday cards -- in fact
they had one they used to send back and forth for years -- same
card! But when Mom died old Aunt Anne decided to rule the world.
She would not have dared to have done that while my mother lived.
United Nations -- bunk -- we
do not like the UN in this country and MANY of us would be happy
if they moved it to Europe or Finland or Korea. You can have it.
We don't care. It's one big joke and a bad one at that. That's
why we lost Korea over having the Russians APPROVE our battle
plans and then make copies for the Chinese Commies. Yeh, that
was fair.
Little countries vote against
us, curse us, but demand the money be sent. Hell, I want RUSSIA
to repay their debts to us in OIL. We'd never have to use Muslim
oil again!! Bet that would get the crude price down.
You and I are probably never
going to agree about a lot ... that's okay. I still welcome your
view point. I need to see how things are around the world and
it is good to hear from an intelligent source. I'm sorry the towel-heads
thought they had to take out the World Trade Center but I have
noticed that most of the Muslim world is against them as are our
old Russian-bear friends. Strange bedfellows indeed. BUT, we are
going to retaliate against those who did it and that's all there
is to it. We will not stop. I know how to stop it but no
one would listen to me. I know this is not the end of it and it
is only going to get worse. But we have let them go their own
way for too without trouncing them. The time has come to stop
the terrorism and I KNOW that the JEWS are/were the biggest terrorists
of them all and I don't support that either but I've told you
all that .....
so, until next time ( and I
hope I answered everything here ) keep the wind to your back ....
wishing you peace, love and
joy ....
The NEWC
Email No. 34
From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:23:55 -0500
To: JM
Subject: abm
Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty
-- we already have one. Happened years ago with Russia. We agreed
to dismantle all of our NUKE missile sites and they would do the
same. We did -- and I saw it happen and went to school with some
of the guys who were out there, and we even drove past a former
NUKE site yesterday afternoon - and the Russians didn't dismantle
theirs. They still have them in place around Moscow.
Funny thing about NUKE sites
-- I hadn't been out of the Army too long and was a supervisor
for the Bell Telephone Company. Got a call that a telephone truck
died inside the gate of a NUKE installation. I grabbed a mechanic
and a company truck and we drove out there. The guy I took with
me was black but he had been a Sergeant in the Army just a few
years before this happened.
All the phone van had was dead
a battery and I had a new one with me so we put it in. BUT
-- all the time we were inside the gate we were "covered"
by Military Police with loaded M-16 rifles. So here we were,
employees of Illinois Bell who took care of their phone lines
and phones, former US Military, and the US ARMY still didn't trust
us!
But, anyway, that little missile
base is gone, too. I know of four locations around here alone
that are gone because of that ABM treaty we gave away to the Russians.
Now that is something I know for a FACT!!!
Email No. 35
From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:21:27
-0500
To: JM
Subject: FW: How to Stop Osama Bin Laden
***
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Friend 5x
> To: The NEWC
> Sent: 11/10/01 9:42 AM
> Subject: FW: How to Stop Osama Bin Laden.
>
> LAY THIS ON YOUR BUDDY JACOB PRETTY PROGRESSIVE
> THINKING
***
-----Original Message-----
From: Friend 6x
To: Multiple Recipient List
Sent: 11/10/01 12:20 AM
Subject: Fwd: How to Stop Osama Bin Laden.
HOW TO STOP ISLAMIC TERRORISTS
Gen. John J. Pershing's answer to terrorist attacks.
A solution to the problem of Islamic Terrorists developed
by the Army.
General John "Black Jack" Pershing - USMA class of
'86
(that's 1886) the man!
HOW TO STOP ISLAMIC TERRORISTS... it worked once in our
history... Once in U.S. history an episode of Islamic
terrorism was very quickly stopped. It happened in the
Philippines about 1911, when Gen. John J. Pershing was
in command of the garrison. There had been numerous
Islamic terrorist attacks, so "Black Jack" told his
boys to catch the perps and teach them a lesson.
Forced to dig their own graves,
the terrorists were all
tied to posts, execution style. The U.S. soldiers then
brought in pigs and slaughtered them, rubbing their
bullets in the blood and fat. Thus, the terrorists
were terrorized; they saw that they would be contaminated
with hogs' blood.
This would mean that they could not enter Heaven, even
if they died as terrorist martyrs.
All but one was shot, their bodies dumped into the grave,
and the hog guts dumped atop the bodies. The lone survivor
was allowed to escape back to the terrorist camp and tell
his brethren what happened to the others.
This brought a stop to terrorism in the Philippines for the
next 50 years.
Pointing a gun into the face of Islamic terrorists won't
make them flinch. They welcome the chance to die for Allah.
Like Gen. Pershing, we must show them that they won't get
to Muslim heaven (which they believe has an endless supply
of virgins) but instead will die with the hated pigs of the
devil.
Works for me!!
====================================
Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord.
Praise ye the Lord. Psa. 150:6
====================================
JM Comment:
The above story shows that for over 80 years (nay well nigh 200
years) the way the Americans have behaved and we are to respect
that nation and the way it treats human beings and other religions.
And yet a person like The NEWC cannot understand why Americans
are detested around the planet!!
Email No. 36
From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:15:34 -0500
To: JM
Subject: Maybe...
I wrote you a letter this morning
but this is a business computer and it would not handle anything
over 100k so I made some notes and will send it from home.
First of all, shutting down
the airports is a precaution. We don't think this is a terrorist
activity - sorry. It would appear to be an engine fire on unknown
causes so far.
I am not a fundamentalist Christian....sorry,
pal ... I'm a Roman Catholic. Thought a guy from Cathedral with
a superior intellect would have picked up on that long ago.
Catch yah later......
The junk I sent you about Bin
Laden .. I 've got tons more .. that was merely a small chapter
from history in the Philippines. It worked then.
I did read a great column written
by a Judy Rubin who was having lunch with some Algerian businessmen
and they comment top her that they've had Islamic terrorists in
their country for ten years now and we should get used to it.
Why are the Islamic terrorists in Algeria? What did they do wrong?
I do wonder .....
The NEWC
Email No. 37
From: JM
Sent: 11/12/01 2:48 PM
To: The NEWC
Subject: Maybe...
Dear The NEWC,
- ***
> "I did read a great column written by a Judy Rubin
who
> was having lunch with some Algerian businessmen and they
> comment top her that they've had Islamic terrorists in their
> country for ten years now and we should get used to it.
> Why are the Islamic terrorists in Algeria?
> What did they do wrong? I do wonder .."
>
***
I too wonder why
there are "Christian" terrorists in the US - all shades
from the Oklahoma Bomber to the IRA!!
- ***
> "I am not a fundamentalist Christian....sorry, pal
...
> I'm a Roman Catholic. Thought a guy from Cathedral
> with a superior intellect would have picked up on
> that long ago. Catch yah later......"
***
There could not
be a more fundamentalist Christian group than the Roman
Catholics - Infallibility I think you call it?
You do not know
the difference between Indian Christians and
others. Ours is an Apostolic faith, and we have our liturgy still
in
Christ's own language, Aramaic and our mother tongue, Malayalam,
where we
have 100% literacy. We owe no allegiance to Rome, Canterbury
or Constantinople. We have our own Patriarch in India. We are
not
subservient to anyone and we do not believe in infallibility!!
And we
have not been burning people at the stake or purporting that the
world
is flat or for that matter - for any other reason!!
As regards the
New York incident - exactly what I thought. You guys are
so focused on chasing Osama Bin Laden you have forgotten the real
values
of life and living. Can't you see that Osama Bin Laden is quietly
winning
the war because of the stupidity of America and Americans? But
that will
obviously not be so. After all the guys who died were just Dominicans,
so nothing for you Yankees to get hecked up about.
Will you organise
to lynch the staff that allowed that plane to
take off - and murder 246 people. Or is that collateral damage
that is
acceptable to you great "justice loving" Americans?
No go - I am sure
that the great American cover up will now be
put in place by your corporate world.
Regards
JM
Email No. 38
From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:20:58 -0500
To: JM
Subject: New York
The pilot behind the A300 that
crashed reported he saw smoke coming from the engine before the
plane took off.
Email No. 39
From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:51:23 -0500
To: JM
Subject: Positive
JM:
I am positive that you are
the most negative person I have ever met ... but ... undaunted
.. I shall endeavor to push on here ... you know, you do make
some sense but what I really want to know ... and you seemed to
be more in tune with this than I .. what is the solution?
Our billions and billions in
foreign aid hasn't helped and war solves nothing but to set up
for the next war (see how the Germans and Japanese are on our
side this time) so, where does the world turn?
The NEWC
Email No. 40
From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:56:05 -0500
To: JM
Subject: Huh?
Now, if you are an Apostolic
Christian, how can you call Christ the LORD OF DEATH? And,
you are right, I know NOTHING about APOSTOLIC CHRISTIANS from
India. I do believe that the apostle Timothy was supposed to have
gone into India at one time bent on conversions. But, I'm sure
very few people would know about it or what a FINDIAN is. It's
not like they are movers and shakers of the planet, are they?
Hence, little interest. But again, you beg the question, and run
off on your own agenda and inflammatory anti-American rhetoric.
I also said that the some of
the Palestinians have been Christian since the time of Christ,
didn't I?
I also told you that if given
the choice I would fight with/for the Palestinians over the Jews
any time.
The question was, why are Islamics
beating up on the poor Algerians?
I am NOT going to get into
scripture and dogma with you. We've got enough going as it is.
What if they were Augustinians
instead of Dominicans or Franciscans, even?
There you go again ... will
you stop it .. we are not going to lynch anybody for anything
.. hell, a few hours ago you were sure it was Islamic terrorists
and I said I doubted that from the beginning. It didn't make sense
to me they could make an engine fall off.
The NEWC
Email No. 41
From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:02:02 -0500
To: JM
Subject: RE: Maybe...
JM:
What? You knew the world was
round before Galileo and you guys didn't
tell anybody? Shame on you! And you know something else, American
Indians
were burning people at the stake long before the Catholics and
Lutherans
started doping it in Europe. I think the Romans may have had some
influence
on that. Wonder where they got it.
And did you know John Lennon was queer long before he met Yoko
Ono?
Go to rush ....
The NEWC
Email No. 42
From: JM
Sent: 11/12/01 4:17 PM
To: The NEWC
Subject: RE: Maybe...
The NEWC,
Please do not
show your ignorance any further.
Why don't you
ask any Mathematician in the US about the Astronomical
Charts that existed in the vedic scriptures well before the Christian
era.
Astronomy was
a science in India and Egypt well before western
civilisation was contemplated. The Maya civilisation designed
their
pyramids on the concept of a round world and not a flat earth!!
If you have even
read even one of the Indian mythological epics which
date back to 4000 BC you will know the world was never considered
to be
anything but spherical and that the earth circled the Sun.
As I said, get
educated before you start a discussion on any subject.
But of course,
I forgot - you are educated and we natives are just the
fools of this earth.
JM
Email No. 43
From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:14:35 -0500
To: JM
Subject: RE: Maybe...
Oh, stuff it smarty pants!!
Can't you take a joke? Good grief, Jake.
Loosen up!!
Even Socrates knew the earth
was round. Of course I know about astronomy in Egypt and how the
earth can be triangulated from the pyramids there. The Mayan p'mids
are on a direct line with the Egyptian ones ...
by coincidence -- I don't think
so!
And I know what a sophomore
is.
Love yah, buddy........
The NEWC
Email No. 44
From: JM
Sent: 11/12/01 4:08 PM
To: The NEWC
Subject: Positive
The NEWC,
I am a strategist
and an analyst and everything that you say or write is
pure rubbish.
People depend
on me to derive strategy to solve their problems - so I
wonder how you can say I am negative. That is my job and I am
successful
at it!!
Because Americans
cannot see the solution does not mean that there does
not exist a solution. The solution is so simple but Americans
are so
big-headed, I think that every American has a Texas head!! And
empty
drums make the most sound.
Do you really
think that America gives one dollar in aid - all aid is
tied!! That is not aid!
The German and
Japanese Governments may be on your side - but I assure
you that not many Japanese or German people are on your side.
The Indian
Government may be on your side as they have a hidden agenda against
the
minorities as Christians and Muslims in India, but do you think
that the
bulk of Indian people are on your side - no way.
The world has
to turn away from America if it wants to find a solution
to this problem. False Christian values are certainly not going
to bring a
solution to this problem.
By the way have
you spoken to Rudolf Gulianao about removing the UN from
New York? You will be branded as a traitor to America and the
American
people if you make such a suggestion!!
Why do you think
that the World Trade Organisation Conference was held
in a place as Doha? So that the people of the world could not
protest
against what their Governments are doing. The Governments are
cowards hiding
behind the power of their office and dictatorial regimes.
JM
Email No. 45
From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:37:26 -0500
To: JM
Subject: RE: Positive
It's Gulliani not "o"
and I have no access to him but I have spoken out
against the United Nations for years both publicly and privately
and NO
ONE in this country has dared to call me a TRAITOR. I have suggested
it
frequently on the radio and will continue to do so at every opportunity.
You wish the world would turn
away from America and I wish America would
turn away from the world. Fair enough.
Does anyone in America care
if the bulk of the Indian people are on our
side? No way. India is a place that few Americans could point
to on a globe
and fewer yet know about Gandhi, Mahatma or Indira, and I doubt
if one in a
hundred could locate the Ganges River on a map.
Why are the Islamics battling against Algeria?
The NEWC
Email No. 46
From: JM
Sent: 11/12/01 4:39 PM
To: The NEWC
Subject: RE: Huh?
The NEWC,
Doubting Thomas
(not Timothy) was the one who founded the faith of the
Syrian Christians in India. If you go to Madras, the main road
through
the city is called Mount Road as the Little Mount and St. Thomas's
Mount
lie on the side of the road. Little Mount was where Thomas was
killed.
The church on the beach is where his remains lay till it was stolen
by
the Roman Catholic church and taken off to Rome!!
I did not say
it was Islamists - as I still do not say that the WTC
bombings were done by Islamists. It is the Americans and British
who say
it was done by Islamists!!
One does not have
to fight to solve issues - that is the difference
between you and me. Issues can be solved in many different ways
and they
are certainly not going to be solved by raising the gun.
Why was Nelson
Mandela the world's greatest leader after Mahatma Gandhi
- because they did not use the gun!!
Violence breeds
further violence - but short sighted Americans cannot
see that as they see only up to their noses. What you need is
to get the
services of a decent optician to examine all Americans.
JM
Email No. 47
From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:08:27 -0500
To: JM
Subject: RE: Huh?
JM:
Bin Laden has admitted his
role in the Sept. 11 devastation of the World
Trade Center. Yeh, you're right - -St. Thomas. I forgot. My puny
American
mind at sleep again.
News flash! The average American is slow to violence -- very slow.
It's
only after we're pushed too far.
Gotta get to the train store and then home. Would still like to
hear
about the WACO connection and about this business of yours.
Bye ..
The NEWC
Email No. 48
From: JM
Sent: 11/13/01 1:10 AM
To: The NEWC
Subject: RE: Maybe...
The NEWC,
When it comes
to war and killing innocent people, be it American, Iraqi
children or Afghan women, whether it be by Osama Bin Laden, Taliban
or
American forces - I believe all those must be punished by equal
standards.
One cannot hide
behind the flag of patriotism and for God and country.
I am sorry that
I cannot lighten up on this subject when innocent lives
are being lost mainly because of American foolishness and policy
extending over the last 50 years.
It was OK for
Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban to kill Russians with
American money and weapons - but not Americans? Is that your patriotic
stand?
JM
Email No. 49
From: The NEWC
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:56:19 -0500
To: JM
Subject: RE: Maybe...
Good morning.....
what I was referring to when
I said to lighten up was the comments about the round/flat earth
thing. Pretty silly, isn't it? The information was right in front
of them all along. Amazing. And, yes, some people got fried over
it.
Shame, that, BUT, again, we
are digging into the distant past and cannot cure those ills now.
Better to know history than relive it, eh?
Unless.....you have found a
way to visit the past. Now that would be so cool.
Whoops -- my watch is beeping
... conference call time
..... Anyway -- no, that is
NOT my patriotic stand .. I was never in favor of the Afghans
killing the Russians or the Russians killing the Chets or anybody
killing ANYBODY. I was not in favor of Stalin and Hitler killing
millions or Mao killing millions or China ruling Tibet ....
conference call
time.... bye ....
The NEWC
Email No. 50
From: The NEWC
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:45:15 -0500
To: JM
Subject: Clears that up...
So, the old Burghers are still
at it. Haven't heard about them in years. Still doesn't tell me
what the Islamics want but ... another matter.
Yes, it is a shame about geography.
I enjoy it but it is hardly taught in schools anymore and few
Americans know much about their own state let alone continents
and countries. You do not find this in other parts of the world?
Proud of that? Not hardly. It is a fact of life.............that's
all.
I have a friend in Lafayette,
Indiana, who is a full blooded Apache America-Indian. She does
not agree with your ideas about American Indians. She had a few
comments of her own but her e-mail address is xxxxxx@pwrtrain.com.
Did I tell you my wife is part Iriquois?
Now, should I be angry with
India for have killed an apostle some 1,900 years ago? What retributions
should they suffer for that crime?
Slavery and genocide do not
exist in America. More than 250,000 Americans died to end slavery
over here. But slavery and genocide still exist in other parts
of the world today and are ongoing. That is what we need to stop
... we cannot live in the distant past. Our founding fathers were
quick to stop the importation of Africans .... and nobody threw
tens of thousands of Africans overboard! Pure bunk!!
The NEWC
Email No. 51
From: The NEWC
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:59:25 -0500
To: JM
Subject: Since time...
Since time was invented there
has been history. That which did not occur within our lifetime
becomes ancient ... I am not guilty of slavery nor is anyone else
who is alive today and will not stand trial for it nor for the
impact on the American Indians.
We are still cleaning up the
mess of the World Trade Center and digging out the bodies. It
is before us everyday. Bin Laden has admitted his responsibility
for it and his father was on television last night being interviewed
by a Chinese girl. He stated his son, Osama, called him the next
day, bragging of his great "victory" and the father
denounced it because of the civilian deaths.
You harp on slavery of long
ago but don't want to discuss slavery in the world today, or the
genocides in Africa, or the wife burnings in India or the real
reason you (voluntarily?)left India. You call Mandela a great
leader but ignore the people who were "necklaced" by
his dear wife, Winnie with the blessings of Desmond Tutu. And
what about the farmers who are murdered daily in South Africa
by the squatters? Is this your justice? South Africa was nothing
and virtually uninhabited before the Dutch arrived and built a
fabulous country that is now being destroyed.
The NEWC
Email No. 52
From: The NEWC
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:27:54 -0500
To: JM
Subject: Dear JM
Let us start with Dr. King
... I own quite a few books on Dr. King and the strange thing
about them are the differences. Dick Gregory, whom I have met
and spoken with, says Jesse Jackson was in the parking lot but
my guard Captain, who was Dr. King's body guard, say Jesse was
on the balcony with Martin. The photos show Jesse on the balcony.
I started writing a book on Dr. King but never finished it ....
I have been told who killed Dr. King and it sure wasn't James
Earl Ray...
Former Black Panthers - who
went to prison for murdering their own people - are now congressmen,
deans of colleges, high government officials, etc.
You should see how the "poor
blacks" live in America today.
I know nothing about a Sikh
killing. (JM
Comment: This email refering to the killing of a Sikh in America
as they thought him to be a Muslim because of his headgear appears
to be missing from this sequence.)
No, Mr. Bush is not bragging
about any killings.
Bin Laden has admitted his
role. His father admitted it. Bin Laden is a Saudi and the Saudis
kicked him out in 1983. They didn't like him either.
TRANSMIT PAGE ONE
Email No. 53
From: The NEWC
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:36:07 -0500
To: JM
Subject: page two
Never claimed to know a lot
about Africa. A lot of them still live in huts made of mud and
cow dung and jump up and down. One of the world's great civilizations,
no doubt.
I get to live in this world
and it isn't yours, pal. I have a RIGHT to be here. I also get
to comment about murderers like Winnie and Desmond. I have the
right of free speech and all I can do is report the facts AS THEY
ARE... it just doesn't get any simpler than that.
Oh yeh, and I know Columbus
didn't discover America.
It was NOT OK for Clinton to
lie under oath and, in my opinion, then and now, he should be
in prison for a LOT of things.,, and you are RIGHT about Hillary
and Lewinsky... and it NOT the moral behavior of all Americans.
(JM Comment:
It appears that another one of my posts is missing - the one which
refers to Hillary Clinton and Monica Lewinsky.)
Well, I just can't help but
wonder why you got kicked out of India. I don't think your leaving
was your own idea.
TRANSMIT PAGE TWO
Email No. 54
From: The NEWC
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:47:54 -0500
To: JM
Subject: page 3
Why do you constantly go off
the deep end and twist everything I say?
I did NOT say that no Africans
were ever thrown overboard -- I said the BS that TENS OF THOUSANDS
were thrown overboard is not right. AND, I if you don't want to
believe that Catholics and Lutherans and Gypsies and others were
smoked with the Jews, I still say it is your RIGHT to selectively
believe what you will.
The Ku Klux Klan doesn't like
me any more than I like them.
I am not angry that the Jews
killed Christ: are you? I still do business with Jews: even worked
for them a time or two. (JM Comment: The best line an Anti-Semitist could
adopt!!) And I still argue
with them about the Palestinians but at least we part as friends.
Oh yeh -- Good Point -- but,
if I didn't have any Christianity then you wouldn't either, would
you? But, next to Jesus, only you have the words of eternal
truth and life.
TRANSMIT PAGE THREE ....
Email No. 55
From: The NEWC
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:56:10 -0500
To: JM
Subject: Final page - four
Have you terminated all of
your contacts with American companies or do you still cling to
them for merchandise and support? (JM Comment: He did not know about my Boycott
American Products Web Page which has been recently renovated.)
I have tried to be polite with
you and have chosen not to stoop to your level of insults, derision
and name calling. That's your little complex.
This will conclude all transmissions
from me to you and from you to me. Any further messages will be
deleted and not read. How's that for up front American honesty?
I love my Jesus, my country and my wife. You can never take that
from me.
And, by
the way, your letters, name, etc., will all be turned over to
the Federal Bureau of Investigation as inflammatory and anti-American.
You see, I used to be one of those kinds of guys too but then
I told you I used to be a cop.
I would use my connections
to find out why you got kicked out of India but I really don't
give a shit. bye bye ,,,,,,
The NEWC
JM Comment:
This correspondence really showed me the lack of intelligence
of the "educated" American. So, can we get any other
reaction from a lot of other "educated Christian Americans"
such as George W. Bush, Richard (Dick) Chenney, Colin Powell,
Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice and crowd who make up the American
Administration. The answer is a simple NO. Expect the worst and
trouble, not only in Iraq, but every corner of the world where
we have people with some measure of intelligence to think and
act for themselves, rather than blindly follow the dictates of
these "educated" Americans.
US and the
Saudi monarchy bear total responsibility for the creation of the
fundamentalist Islamic terrorists. King Faisal, together with
the United States, deliberately nurtured fundamentalist Islam
in the 1960's as a counterweight to Nasserists and leftists. It
was Saudi Arabia, at America's request, that backed the jihad
against Soviet troops in Afghanistan, thus forming the basis for
Al-Qaeda.
As you sow
you shall reap - and so the crows will come home to roost.
PS: As a last
measure to complete an argument and show how misinformed he was,
I sent this email with the text from Barnaby Phillips (of BBC)
to The NEWC.
I heard no
more from him!!
Email No. 56
From: JM
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:21:41 +0200 (EET)
To: The NEWC
Subject: And so much for African History!!
Forgotten
victims of the Boer War The British inflicted suffering on Africans
and Afrikaners
By Southern
Africa correspondent Barnaby Phillips
A bleak and
desolate settlement in the midst of South
Africa's great plains, Dry Harts feels like the town
that time forgot.
But an overgrown
cemetery in this unprepossessing
place provides the evidence that is forcing historians
to re-evaluate the past.
Exactly 100
years ago South Africa was embroiled in war
the British were fighting the Afrikaner - or Boer -
people, attempting to absorb them into the empire.
The Anglo-Boer
War has long been notorious as the
conflict which saw the birth of the concentration camp.
Tens of thousands
of Afrikaners were herded into
camps by the British.
More than
20,000 Afrikaners, mainly children,
subsequently died from disease.
The Dry Harts
cemetery contains hundreds of graves, all
dating from 1901 and 1902. But the names on the
gravestones belong not to Afrikaners, but to black
Africans.
These stones
are the evidence of a forgotten British
crime.
Memories
Because the
British army also set up dozens of camps
for African people, they forced the inmates to grow food
and provide labour for the troops.
Most historians
now accept that more than 100,000
Africans were imprisoned.
Even the official
British records say that more than
14,000 of the inmates died.
Garth Benneyworth,
who has studied the Boer War for
years, said the African camps had very high
mortality rates.
"We do
know that the Africans received a less
nutritious diet than those in the Afrikaner camps. They
only had basic foodstuffs, and that includes the
children - no vegetables and no fruit. And in this
particular camp there was a scurvy epidemic, and that is
reflective of malnutrition".
Today, insights
into the camps live on only in stories,
handed down from generation to generation.
Kleinjan Maruping,
who is in his 80s, heard about the
war from his father, who experienced it first-hand.
"The
British took the Africans off the land, and then
treated them like slaves", he says.
Until very
recently the Anglo-Boer War was always seen
as a white man's war.
Even its name
ignores the black majority.
History retold
The British
and Afrikaners had a monopoly over South
African history - and neither group had an interest in
promoting knowledge about the African camps.
The British
were presumably ashamed, whereas emotive
Afrikaner accounts left no room for the suffering of
other people.
Professor
Fransjohan Pretorius, of the University
of Pretoria, is perhaps the foremost Afrikaner expert
on the war.
"The
suffering in the Afrikaner camps was used
to foster Afrikaner nationalism" he says,
"which meant that when the National Party came to
power in 1948 they directed their feelings of dominance
towards the indigenous people of this country".
The origins
of at least some of the injustices suffered
by black South Africans can be traced to the Anglo-Boer
War.
The African
concentration camps are not just an
unfortunate or forgotten piece of history.
They also
give a very good indication of how black
people would be treated throughout the 20th Century.
Because in
order to make the camps work, the British
used land removals and forced labour - practices which
later became common under the apartheid system.
In the light
of the evidence of the black concentration
camps, some historians now prefer to talk of the "South
African War" rather than the Anglo-Boer War.
Many South
Africans hope that a re-evaluation of the
past, and a recognition that all peoples suffered in a
terrible war, can lead to a more harmonious future.
JM
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