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CORRESPONDENCE WITH
AN "EDUCATED" AMERICAN
[CHRISTIAN(?) & WHITE]
2001

compiled by

Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland
This is a record of email correspondence between an American citizen, who considered himself to be educated, and myself. The correspondence highlights the paranoia and the superiority complex held by Americans, as well as the disdain they have for other citizens of this planet. Many "educated" Americans consider themselves to be "God's gift to this world".

Below is a shocking revelation as to how the American Administration has twisted the minds of its citizens and removed the reasoning power and inserted in its place their form of nationalistic fundamentalism, totally unrelated to the tenets of Christianity, and which is based on blind hatered of everything non-white American.

Introduction

Just after the September 11th international tragedy in New York in 2001 I received a cryptic unsigned email. As I tackle all my email as soon as I receive it, I replied to the sender.

Usually, emails that contain nonsensical oblique criticism about my web sites originate from fictitious email addresses. Any replies that I send tend to bounce.

But not this one.

I discovered what had disturbed this individual, The NEWC, who went by this pseudonym. It was a joke I had printed on one of my pages about Mahatma Gandhi not being able to turn in his grave as he had been cremated.

We then got into a protracted email correspondence lasting a few months.

Most of the opinions expressed by The NEWC shocked me to the core. It may not shock many of you. That will depend on your background and upbringing.

I present here all the emails I have been able to locate that have been exchanged between us. As two email addresses and three email programmes were used by me and as I upgraded my computer software during this correspondence, it is likely that some of the emails exchanged have been misplaced. I have not intentionally disposed of any, but these may have been filed some in places where a search has not yielded any of the missing ones.

I have edited the text for purposes of uniform presentation and readability. I have edited the bad language expletives in the text as I do not like bad language. I have in no way edited the meaning of the contents expressed on both sides. Where there are spelling mistakes or grammatical errors still present, these have been left in only to emphasize obvious issues related to the content. General typographical errors have been corrected.

I have standardised the identification of myself as JM and my correspondent as The NEWC.

My background can be seen from my web page

Personal profile of Jacob Matthan

I am a strong-willed individual. I am used to expressing my opinions rather forcibly. I tend to, on one extreme, personalize my correspondence, or, at the other extreme, to generalise it beyond its intended meaning. These are deficiencies inherent in me.

However, I expect the recipient of messages from me to understand that I intend no personal insult. I try to concentrate on the issues. If the recipient is using personalized examples to make his or her case, I usually accept it as not being insulting, but I retaliate with also personalised statements. This will become evident as you read through the following emails.

The NEWC tended to use his work computer for most of his email. This was until a suspected virus had him shift some of his sending from his home email address. However, almost all his email was constructed while he was at work and between his meetings, conference calls and visitors.

The NEWC forwarded me some images which he thought would educate me to think "American". He tried to forward me an mp3 file. These were those he had received by email from others. These were sent to him by some friends or colleagues and to multiple recipients. I have edited the recipient list to just show that the originals had gone to multiple recipients.

The NEWC obviously discussed my emails with some of his friends. In one instance there is a forward of an email that The NEWC received which specifically mentions

  • "LAY THIS ON YOUR BUDDY JACOB  
    PRETTY PROGRESSIVE "THINKING"

so that I should be "impressed" by the contents forwarded.

I was horrified!!

What worried me in this exchange of emails was the lack of education in what I considered to be an above-average American who had the opportunity to study in an University and even teach in one. Here was a man who had served in the US Army, served as a policeman and worked in a telephone company. He was presently a man in charge of some operation or the other in the US. He was to my mind, a completely above-average American. From this correspondence it appears, in my opinion, that this class of American is bigoted, which gives me the shivers when I think what the average American would be.

For instance, The NEWC was under the impression that it was IBM which invented computing. All he had to do was an internet search and he would have landed up at the page

http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa050298.htm

which explains how Konrad Zuse of Germany made a mechanical calculator, the first binary computer!!

Had he gone further he would understood the existence of the abacus and that no invention takes place in isolation - all developments are the culmination of knowledge gleaned from time immemorial.

But here was a man who claimed to be "educated" focusing on the American-ness of all major inventions.

I do not intend here to show up what I feel are all the gross stupidities of his assumptions. I leave that to the reader to draw his or her own conclusions. In my humble opinion, almost none of The NEWC's assertions have any basis in history and far less in truth.

But it appears to be what above-average Americans believe, as that is what the American Administration wants them to believe.

When I first came to Finland I met a young boy who tried to convince me that "Araldite" was a Finnish product developed by a Finnish company - not understanding for a moment that it was the trademark of the Swiss firm, CIBA, and which had been licensed to a Finnish firm to market the adhesive in Finland. I then called this childish ignorance. But, later, I found that this ignorance at all levels of Finnish society in all walks of life - and it was the product of bad education coupled with nationalism and patriotism.

And it is the same ignorance I saw in this individual in America.

So many decisions today are made on this level of knowledge. This suits the "corrupt" politicians and bureaucrats - the Administration. They want to keep this level of ignorance rampant in society. It serves their ends. Mr. Colin Powell's performance in the United Nations Security Council on Wednesday 5th February 2003 was a typical example of such a performance of feeding the American masses with information that they want them to believe and which has no basis in factual evidence which would hold up in any court of law.

It is, therefore, no wonder that President George W. Bush can act with impunity in matters such as Iraq, Iran or Afghanistan, as the level of intelligence of the above-average American seems to be controlled by a media which ensures that he is not really "educated" beyond his call of patriotism and nationalism.

Such enclosures that were sent with these emails from The NEWC as "If I were President George W. Bush's Speech Writer" by Adam Bomb and "I'm Proud To Be An American" show what drives the above-average American in this age of high technology.

Such fantastic claims that rolled over from The NEWC as, for example, that for every Jew sent to the gas chambers by Hitler, as many or more Lutherans, Roman Catholics and Gypsies were also gassed to death during World War II, would normally have made my blood boil. But I restrained myself at the time of the correspondence as it appeared to me that, although I had been brought up on an American diet in my youth, I was really missing the cream of their absurdity.

The John Wayne syndrome is totally all-encompassing in the make-up of The NEWC. The feeling that the US, by itself, saved the world or is saving the world seems to be the general opinion held in America. These Americans cannot face reality as it hurts them to think that they are not the be-all and the end-all of all things on this earth.

The fact that well before Japan attacked Pearl Harbour the Americans had a very carefully planned secret program to prepare a weapon of mass destruction, the atom bomb, which had to be publicly tested for its effectiveness, seems to have escaped the reasoning power of present day Americans who claim that Saddam Hussein is developing weapons of mass destruction. Many Americans have been led to believe and feel that they developed and tested the atom bomb BECAUSE Japan attacked Pearl Harbour!!

How ridiculous - as the development of the atom bomb took billions of dollars, several years and many tens of thousands of top secret man-hours, well before Pearl Harbour or Hiroshima.

Hence the claim that Saddam Hussein is developing weapons of mass destruction is only a throw back to history where the US did the same in the most clandestine manner and then tested it in international conflict - not because of Pearl Harbour as the Americans have been told to believe.

The ultimate in this dialogue was when The NEWC could no longer take the logical reasoning that I kept throwing his way. His claim appears to be that that America is an English-speaking Christian democracy - and he could not accept that it was none of these in spirit, word or deed.

The limit of his vision could be seen by me when he makes the decision that he would be reporting me for my un-American stance to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). He also goes on to threaten me that he would find out from his "contacts" why I had "fled" from India, not even considering that I may be here in Finland as my wife and some of my children and grandchildren and my family are nationals of this country!!

All this was revealed to him during the course of our correspondence - and from my web sites which he had definitely visited and seen.

I am grateful to Julia Scheeres, the journalist at WIRED, who wrote a column on the ACLU and the objections in the US to President Bush's actions ("ACLU Acts Against Patriot Act"), for encouraging me to put down the correspondence as a web page.

As far as possible I have tried to keep the emails as per the times they were received, but there may be some inconsistencies because of the differences in the time used on each email - some being US time and some, Helsinki time. In between the emails I have interspersed some comments, as I thought relevant. This will establish some of the reasons why I replied in a particular manner.


Email No. 1

From: The NEWC
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 08:46:28 -0400
To: JM
Subject: Missed it

While looking for "unique Firearms" I blindly stumbled into your site. You poor sick people need help, don't you? You surely cannot believe your material is funny. So, without any good humor, what is your purpose? 

 


Email No. 2

From: JM
To: The NEWC
Sent: 9/20/01 22.42
Subject: Re: Missed it.

Dear Sir,

Your cryptic message shows that it may be you that is out of focus.

We have some 5000 to 10000 pages on our site. We have close to 100000
people in our community. Which one (page) are you referring to.

Also we make good money on the web - unlike the failed US dotcoms.

So I think the joke maybe on you!!

Regards

JM


Email No. 3

From: The NEWC
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:44:19 -0400
To: JM
Subject: Re: Missed it

Wrong again, oh dense one. 

First of all, Unique (note the first letter is capitalized) Firearms is a brand name for semi-automatic handguns once made in France.  (JM Comment: His email did not have a capitalised "unique") I own one and was looking for the rest of the components that comprise a weapons system.

My point was, however, that if you think the fact that individuals in your pathetic little tome could not turn over in their graves because they were cremated is funny, you indeed have a sick sense of humor.

Even vulgar little pornographic web sites make money on the web and without all those US dot.coms you denigrate, there would be no web sites or a functioning internet.

And, no, Americans do not believe our former vice-president, Al Gore, invented the internet. But it is an American invention. (JM Comment: This to me showed The NEWC's lack of knowledge about American affairs as Al Gore had never claimed he had invented the internet.)

What has your quaint little nation invented since we kicked the Germans out for you? (JM Comment: This showed again a lack of knowledge of international affairs as he obviously did not know that no American Forces were involved with the World War II in Finland.) Or, what did you invent prior to the arrival of the Nazi hordes?

My mother-in-law was fond of the hymn Finlandia before she passed away and it was performed at her funeral.
              
Peace, love and joy .... stay warm.
                  
Yours truly,

The NEWC


JM Comment: His aggression was something I could not understand at this stage. He now shows he has no sense of history. He assumes that Americans kicked the Germans out of Finland, which he assumes is my country. He further believes that the Americans invented the internet - but that could somehow be forgiven. At this stage I can see his anti-Democrat stance by his trashing of Al Gore. Another thing I note at this stage is that he calls Finlandia as a hymn. This composition by Sibelius was not a hymn by any stretch of the imagination. So The NEWC's fundamentalist Christian values have now surfaced.


Email No. 4

From: JM
Date: 21/09/2001, 17:01 +0000
To: The NEWC
Subject: RE: Missed it.

Dear The NEWC,

I do not deal in firearms and am surprised you arrived at my site when searching for Firearms. I detest Firearms and hence am glad to be dense about them. Just as you may be dense about several subjects that I am well versed in!!

I sell books on many subjects from Plastics to Project Management and make enough money to support my wife and myself. I am happy with what I earn and I do not need any more than that.

I am a Findian. I am not a Finn.

Dense one, I suggest you find out what is a Findian.

You did not kick any Germans out of my country as there were no Germans in my country to be kicked out!!

You seem to think that Americans are God's gift to the world. Sadly they would be nowhere if they did not have the brain-power inputs of third world countries doing all the computer coding for them.

All that some Americans (like you) are capable of doing is causing chaos both for yourselves and other citizens of the world - as is evidenced by the World Trade Center incident.

After being kicked out of Vietnam with your tail between your legs, some Americans believe they are the only superpower.

Now they just got slammed in the face by a man who does not even have a telephone!!

And if the American Government acts even more arrogantly now, it is the American people who will get slammed again. It appears to be the collateral damage of the policies of your "democratic" Government, just as killing innocent little children in Iraq is the collateral damage of your Government's policy against Saddam Hussein.

When 190 countries vote to follow a policy on environmental issues - one country, yours, stands away and tries to run its own policy.

What is your definition of "democracy"? The will of the "strongest"?

And who is the strongest?

The one who perpetrated the World Trade Center disaster or the Americans who suffered it as a consequence of their previous stupid actions?

On dense one, from the views expressed by you, I think you must be George Bush's long lost brother!! And Canadian Gordon Sinclair must have been your first cousin.

Dear American, stand up and cheer and honour the sycophants. (I am not one to be cheered.)

Or, get a life.

Best regards

JM


JM Comment: At this stage I felt that a bit of controlled aggression was necessary to get his individual to talk more about himself. So, in technical terms, I let fly.


Email No. 5

From: The NEWC
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:07:21 -0400
To: JM
Subject: Re: Missed it

My dear JM,

Ouch!  You're good, pal, and even I must admit you have hit closer to the truth than I would like to believe.

Yes, we, like the British before us, have involved ourselves in matters that usually blow up in our faces. We mean well but somebody manages to turn it to dog-poop! The disaster of the World Trade Center is not just our private little mess. People from many nations died in that. Bin Laden does have a telephone, however. It's a cell phone. But, things like that happen because we have such an open and trusting society.

Yep, we got our butts kicked in Viet Nam because our Commie-loving politicians gave it away. Good point - well made.

Democracy gives us the freedom so many other nations are denied.  

But, you see, it's just like Somalia -- we went in just to FEED those poor starving bastards and they took our food, ate it, and then turned on our "Meals on Wheels" troops and dragged their naked bodies through the streets.

Yes, I like guns, but use them purely as a defense against the bad guys. And, I do hold a permit to carry a firearm. I do not hunt. I would never enjoy killing rabbits and squirrels or deer. Not in me.

I see I pissed you off -- I'm sorry. I guess that was my intent but I'm still sorry.

I do have a life --  a very good life, in fact.  My wife of 36 years was my colonel's daughter. Yep, military! I have a good job with a lot of people reporting to me.  Yes, I drive a Lincoln!! My wife has a pickup truck.

You mention books - I own a few hundred and am a published author but I doubt you would appreciate my Military Action-Adventure style.

And I sure as hell don't know how I stumbled onto your site -- must have been one of those little third-world coders???  And I NEVER called you a FINN!  Fins are on fish!

I am not George's brother but I did vote for him -- proudly so. Gore is half Commie as are the Clintons.  Keep my address or the other one .....  If you ever get around Chicago I'll show you around and how America really lives.  By the way, your English leads me to believe you are not a native of Finland.  

Cheers

The NEWC


JM Comment: The NEWC's lack of knowledge of what the in-depth media is reporting is evident. He had not read the statements that Osama Bin Laden kept no (electronically powered and run) phones of any type with him as they could be tracked by satellite - and certainly no cell phone was going to work in those remote conditions without installation of repeaters. His lack of analytical ability was now exposed. He fails to understand my comment about democracy and takes the stand that America is a democracy, but does not answer what is a democracy, as per my definition. He only thinks about HIS freedom, not the freedom of whom America oppresses in the name of democracy. Having been slammed in the face, he tries a come around and even attempts some humour, after criticising me for my type of humour. He reveals his even more MacArthurish opinion that all those who do not subscribe to his views are Commies!


Email No. 6

From: The NEWC
Sent: 9/21/01 11:17:07 AM
To: JM
Subject: Explanation

By the way, let's deal with this Saddam thing.

He knew what was coming.

He invaded Quwait, not us. He set fire to the oil fields. He, like the North Vietnamese, put children in harms way and then cried to the world when they were killed. Believe what you will, JM, but Americans do not murder children.

You surely cannot be a supporter of Saddam after what he has been doing to his own people and family members, can you? 

The North Vietnamese wired explosives to their children and sent them to get chocolate from the nice G.I.'s.

I have to go ....... duty calls  

The NEWC


JM Comment: Now The NEWC is trying to justify the unjustifiable - he does not answer the basic question, what was it American's business to interfere in Kuwait. Kuwait was no democracy. America claims to be the supporter of democracies - but this was the support of their oil pipeline, not democracy!! Kuwait was purely a state that existed for the convenience of US Oil giants, and for that purpose, and that purpose alone, was it US's business to interfere there.


Email No. 7

From: JM
Sent: 9/22/01

Subject: Re: FW: Explanation
To: The NEWC

Hello The NEWC,

Thanks for your two posts.

You wrote:

  • "Bin Laden does have a telephone"

You may be right. I did mean cell phone. He does not even wear an electronic watch!! In Finland we only seem to think in terms of the Nokia cell phone, so the fixed line is something of the past age.

May I ask your question in reverse -"You surely cannot be a supporter of successive US administrations who are raining terror on their own American people?"

If the American Government hits other people with its military might, whatever be the background (as the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade or the pharmaceutical factory in Sudan), then they should be prepared to put their own people out of harms way -. and that includes in America. In today's world the war will never be in the area which America deems is the "war zone". "Waco Islamist?" Timothy McVeigh was proof of this!!

I think you should demand President Bush to keep all Americans out of harms way by putting them all in safe bunkers if he intends to continue his policies as the world's policeman!!

You may have voted for Bush, but your President is not legitimate in the eyes of the world - a rigged election with not even a popular mandate?

And yet he withdraws from the Kyoto environmental treaty, goes ahead with the missile defence programme despite objections from every sane and insane country in the world, refuses to ratify the chemicals weapons treaty which makes it possible for any rogue state to develop chemicals weapons and also decides that he will withdraw from the ABM treaty WHEN he thinks it in the best interest of the US.

Of course, the US never had any intention of abiding by the nuclear non-proliferation treaty but yet went ahead with sanctions against India and Pakistan for being "honest" about their intentions!!

Can you blame any other country or person for therefore acting "in their best interest" which may not be the best interest of the US?

Whatever the North Vietnamese did - the Americans did equally horrific acts of atrocities and so they had to run. Napalm was not a creation of the North Vietnamese.

  • "..., intensive research to slow down the burning was funded by the U.S. government, and in 1942 Harvard University scientists and the U.S. army chemical warfare service found a way to jelly gasoline that worked quite well.
  • They found that mixing an aluminum soap powder of naphthene and palmitate (hence na-palm), also known as napthenic and palmitic acids, with gasoline produced a brownish sticky syrup that burned more slowly than raw gasoline, and hence was much more effective at igniting one's target. The napalm was mixed in varying concentrations of 6% (for flame throwers) and 12-15% for bombs mixed on site (for use in perimeter defense).
  • This mixture was a big hit with the allied forces, who used it extensively in World War II in flame throwers and fire bombs in the latter part of the war. (The incendiary bombs that rained on Dresden were probably mostly made with phosphorus, not napalm, but I have not been able to find an authoritative source online describing the incendiary material.) Napalm bombs burned out 40% of the area of Japanese target cities. In the Korean war, 165 gallon napalm bombs were dropped on enemy troops, with very effective "results"."
    (Ref: http://tchester.org/fb/issues/napalm.html)

US is not the world's policeman. By your own logic, if the US decides to act that way, then American citizens have to be prepared for all the consequences. If US intervened in Kuwait to save one undemocratic despot from another, then its people have to accept the consequences of that intervention on its own territory - not 10000 miles away.

And, by the way, I am not talking of the civilians killed during the war but the hundreds of thousands of children who have been deprived of medicines and are dying from every conceivable disease because of the US embargo despite the rest of the humanitarian world's concern for these innocent lives.

US is only reaping the consequences of actively building persons as Saddam Hussein (directly) and Osama Bin Laden (indirectly). Blame your administration and not Saddam or Bin Laden for the World Trade Center act. These individuals are only creations of US policies. These war-mongers are there because the US put them there. Now that these individuals are no longer required for the purpose for which they were created, the US wants to be rid of them - but it appears that the tail is wagging the master faster than the master can run!!.

I never gave any indication that I support Saddam Hussein, or Osama Bin Laden or Col. Mu'ammar Gadhafi, or anyone else. But I certainly do not approve the 1986 April 15 US airforce terrorist attack on Tripoli and Benghazi where around 20 people are killed, among them Gadhafi's own adopted infant daughter - collateral damage? Neither do I defend any other terrorist act done by anyone against anyone else!

  • "The American missiles then played very strong role in sorting the controversy. After the American attack on Sudan and Afghanistan it became almost shameful to criticize Bin Laden. People inside Saudi Arabia and in other Arab countries were full of anger towards America, and whoever can antagonize America would provide a fulfillment to their desire of discharging their anger. The American strike with the associated remarks by Clinton and American officials proved that Bin Laden is a big challenge to America. In the mind of average Arab and Muslim Bin Laden appeared as the man who was able to drive America so crazy that it started shooting haphazardly at unjustified targets. There was another factor which made people forget the scene of civilian victims, the special nature of the Sudanese factory. Those who had reservations of the African bombings thought that this arrogance of the Americans is much worse than the embassy bombings. Their view was that while Bin Laden or others can make "executive" mistake because of their difficult circumstances, logistics and communication, America is not supposed to do this mistake unless it is done in purpose."
    (Ref: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/who/bio2.html)

 

I am just a "dense" socio-political analyst with little humour whose opinions you may not like, but that does not put me as a supporter of any of America's foes or friends. I have as many American friends and relatives as enemies of the US who appreciate or detest the "subjective" analysis of this "dense" individual. It is likely that I lost several close friends (I have been glad to hear that no relatives were lost) in the WTC attack.

By the way, I am not pissed off. I enjoy debate and another person's point of view. But I can give as good as I get. Without feedback like yours I can never do an honest analysis about any subject, including the one on Gun Control in the US!! :-)

As regards being a native of Finland, you are right, I am not. I come from one of those third world countries where we were taught "butler's" English. If you want to know my origins, maybe you should look at

K. C. Mammen Mappillai - Doyen of Kerala

As regards third world coders and search engines - It depends which search engine you used - as my web sites pretty much dominate all the search engines including the latest and most efficient "Teoma" which means "Expert" in Greek and was recently acquired by Ask Jeeves from the yankee professors who developed it at Rutgers University.

http://www.teoma.com/

Just enter the query "Books about Polymers" in this search engine and see the results.

I am just an old white-haired man sitting in the cellar playing with his computer and his grandson - sort of reminiscent of Spencer Tracy in the "Old Man and the Sea". And I do have a few thousand books about a wide range of my interest subjects. Plus I do happen to have written a few (alone and with my wife of the last 34 years) with my new non-fiction "Last Will and Testament" being in the final stages of preparation.

Regards

JM


Email No. 8

From: The NEWC
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 3:11:51 AM Europe/Helsinki
To: JM
Subject: Fwd: Laughs (?)

This pretty much says it all

***
> Return-path: Friend X
> From: Friend X
> Full-name: Friend X
> Message-ID: <118.4e1d0da.28dae7cc@aol.com>
> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 02:33:48 EDT
> Subject: Laughs (?)
> To: Multiple recipients
>
> If I were President George W. Bush's Speech Writer.
>
> By Adam Bomb
>
> Good evening my fellow Americans.
>
> First, I want to pass on my condolences to the people
> of New York and all Americans that are hurting in this
> tragic time. You can rest assured that anything and
> everything that can be done to assure the safety of our
> country will be done. This is the greatest country in
> the world and we will get through this trying time. Now
> is the time for all people to set aside our petty
> differences and show the world that no one or nothing
> can destroy the fortitude of the American people.
>
> To the people responsible for today's tragedy, I say
> is:
>
> Are you fxxxxxg kidding me? Are the turbans on your
> heads wrapped too tight? Have you gone too long without
> a bath? Do you not know who you are fxxxxxg
> with? Americans are so hungry to kill, that we shoot at
> each other every day. We will relish that opportunity
> for new targets for our aggression.
>
> Have you forgotten history? What happened to the last
> people that started fxxxxxg around with us? Remember
> the little yellow bastards over in Japan? We bitch
> slapped them all over the Pacific and roasted about 2
> million of them in their own back yard. That's what we
> in America call a big ass barbecue. Ever seen Texas on
> a map? Ever wonder why it's so big? Because we wanted
> it that way, Mexico started jacking around with the
> Alamo and now they cut our lawns. England? We sent them
> packing.
>
> Ask your buddy Saddam about fxxxxxg with the good 'ole
> USA. The only reason he got away the first time is
> because it's too hard to shoot someone when you're
> doubled over laughing at them. Our soldiers aren't
> trained to laugh and shoot at the same time. Now he
> couldn't stop a pack of cub scouts from taking over his
> shitty little country.
>
> Trust us, Afghanistan will end up a giant kitty litter
> box. Go ahead and try to hide, Bin Laden. There's not a
> hole deep enough or a mountain high enough that's going
> to keep your camel riding asses safe. We will bomb
> every inch of the country that harbors him, his camps
> and any place that looks and even smells like he was
> there. Hell, we might even drop a few bombs on people
> that have pissed us off in the past. This is America.
> We kick ass. This is what we do. Go ahead and laugh
> now, but the Tomahawks are coming and we will smoke
> your sorry asses.
>
> God bless America!

***


JM Comment: The NEWC tries to make a joke about the American way of life by forwarding me a "joke" which is not only bad language but also shows up his character as his very first email to me was to trash a harmless joke on my web page. His irrationality is fully exposed at this moment.


Email No. 9

From: The NEWC
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 3:57:55 AM Europe/Helsinki
To: JM
Subject: Hello JM

You asked if I thought Americans were God's gift to the world.

Yes, I do. (With some reservations)

We entered World War I after Europe had had enough of the Germans and they surrendered.

We were forced into World War II and fought on two fronts and we won.

Good-bye NAZIs and der Spiegelmeister.

We have kept the North Koreans out of South Korea.

We were doing a job of keeping The NVA out of South Viet Nam when we were pulled out by politicians and look what happened to the "re-educated" South Vietnamese and, dear God, look what happened in Cambodia with no Americans around to stop it.

Any time there is a disaster in the world we are the first to respond with planes loaded with food, medicine, tents, water, etc., and we ask nothing in return.

Yes, we have hunger here, but the hungry can get help if they want it -- we have government social programs for any category that can be named.

We have a lot of crooked politicians but we walked on the moon and looked at Mars.

Thousands of people pour into this country everyday looking for FREEDOM and FOOD.

We have both. You're lucky they are flowing into Finland.

When we have disasters -- tornadoes, earthquakes, hurricanes and floods ..... who helps us?

NO ONE -- we have to do it ourselves!!!

I sure hope you are not suggesting we deserved what just happened in New York City.

The only thing we have done is help the Jews that Hitler didn't cremate. I DO NOT APPROVE OF WHAT THE JEWS ARE DOING TO THE PALESTINIANS!!

I don't like it a bit.

A lot of people from many countries died in the World Trade Center. What a shame. Mass murder is a shame anytime, anyplace.

We will find these killers. We will show their cowardice to the world. Saddam said he would make the desert flow with OUR blood. Take a look -- it didn't happen.

I'm too old to serve again -- I served in my army and married my colonel's daughter. We are still together after 36 years. My sons will fight and die in this war. God help them, too.

We do this to make the world free. We got your Russian neighbors to tear down the Berlin wall. Chalk that up for America, too.

Yeh, JM, I do think we are God's gift to the FREE WORLD. Praise God!!

God bless you and good luck!

See you, pal ....

I am,

The NEWC


JM Comment: Here came the totally American speel - America is God's Gift to the FREE WORLD. He does not ask the meaning of what is a FREE WORLD. One shackled to America's whims and fancies? And he comes up with the most standard line - "My sons will fight and die in this war" rather than "My sons will fight and KILL in this war" and, probably, enjoy KILLING.


Email No. 10

From: JM
Date: 25/09/2001, 13.20 +0000
To: The NEWC
Subject: Re: Hello JM

Dear The NEWC,

I may be repeating myself, but you sound just like the late Canadian Gordon Sinclair!!

Take a look at his web site.

http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Our_Culture/americans.htm

You may yet get the keys to the kingdom, like him.

Was it only the Americans who fought World War I and especially World War II. You seem to have been caught up with a John Wayne movie clip rather than living in reality!! I seem to know that many countries in the third world were dragged into the war and lost a lot of lives fighting someone elses war.

If it were not for an understanding Gorbachev you would not have had any break in the Berlin wall.

Maybe you should think for a minute why the Berlin wall was built.

Whether it be drugs, assassinations, US is always in the trouble spots to create trouble to get the riches - not solve it. Mobutu of Zaire is an ideal example. Saddam Hussein, the US puppet who turned against it, and the Taliban, are just creations of US policy. God's gift to us?

And do we all have to thank the American lifestyle for the world's greatest killer - AIDS. From Rock Hudson with love?

Did you think for a moment that it is probably US policy on energy which may be creating the floods, earthquakes, tornadoes around the world, and especially devastating certain parts of the US.

People who migrate to US do not do it for freedom but to capitalise on smaller fry. Big business swallows up local initiative.

In our small town of 100000 people there was a small drive in restaurant which has been doing well for years and years. Now, McDonald's have placed their drive in 100 metres from the small operator. By undercutting him with their global resources, the only purpose. they intend to put him out of business. Then UP WILL go the prices.

All this behaviour only brings hate against Americans and whatever they stand for. But most Americans are blind to this. Tunnel vision by Americans of only the positives is what I call it.

And then, when the angered, helpless people try to find justice. They are blocked by every single method by power politics.

Are you blind to the anti-globalisation protests riots that have accompanied every G7 meeting. Are they figments of my imagination?

When people are cornered, starving, murdered and butchered by American capitalism policies - then you get the WTC bombings. Then you wonder why such a thing like that could happen IN AMERICA - God's gift to the free world!!

The NEWC, look around you and ask yourself why Americans are hated (not loved as you seem to think) around the world - and in America too.

Regards

JM


Email No. 11

From: The NEWC
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:48:11 -0400
To: JM
Subject: RE: FW:Explanation

Good morning, JM.   My computer was down yesterday so I read your epistle this morning ..  that's a good thing, by the way.

I am finding our how well versed you are in world politics and some of our best blunders.   I have printed your letter so I work with in depth later.   One quick thing -- I believe you have the Timothy McViegh thing wrong as do most Americans. McVeigh did not act on is own just to pop one building. There were too many "coincidences" for that to have happened. Many FBI and ATF did not show up for work that morning. After the building blew up, we saw on TV here people running away from the building after rescue had started screaming ".. there are more bombs .." Men from the ATF were then shown carrying what they said were "dummy" bombs from the building claiming they were being used for training. I am not that gullible.

I love this country and while we may have the best form of government on the Earth we also have the most corrupt government on the earth. James Earl Ray did not kill Dr. M.L. King and Lee Harvey Oswald did not shoot Jack Kennedy.  L  O  N  G  stories and I've written a book about President Kennedy and why he was shot -- not killed, mind you, just shot.

I am enjoying our "discussions" and hope we can maintain this for some time.  I will answer you as best I can and as honestly as possible.

I'll tell you one thing, I'd rather have George W. in the White House right now than Al Gore.  

Have to go to Conference Call right now .... see you later.  

The NEWC


JM Comment: Now comes his reasoning for all America's ills - the great conspiracy theory, from the killing of Martin Luther King to the "shooting" of President Kennedy. It is unbelievable that a man could believe that John F. Kennedy was just "shot" and NOT KILLED!! By now he unfortunately has to accept my reasoning on almost all major issues concerning America's indiscretions.


Email No. 12

From: The NEWC
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:00:24 -0400
To: JM
Subject: Me again

Me again, though I don't for how long ... but ... you are a most interesting gentleman.  I looked at your website and you and your lovely wife don't look very Indian to me but .. what do I know.

Bin Laden has one of those old wireless phone of the 70's with the black rubber antenna on it. Saw it on a newscast the other night.

Yes, we created that monster - I agree - we supported him so he could fight the Russians and free his people (JM: His ignorance really shows up here. Osama Bin Laden was not an Afghan fighting the Russians, he is a Saudi Arabian, and why was the US supporting a Saudi Arabian to fight the war of the Afghans against Russia.) but I can't imagine what the Russians expected to gain by conquering that forsaken land. Then, Laden turned on the world. (JM Comment: As most Americans, he equates the US with the world!!)  It's the same deal when we once supported Fidel Castro to overthrow our old pal Baptista in Cuba. And, yes, we created Saddam but did not expect him to go murder thousands upon thousands of Kurds and turn against his own people and then waltz into Kuwait.  That's the problem over here -- we think we are helping forgetting that absolute power corrupts absolutely. (JM Comment: Americans - think deeply about this statement!!)

Can we cut the "dense" crap now?  I apologize - you are far from dense. In fact, I'm beginning to see glimmers of intelligence here an there. We still invented the computer even if others have jumped aboard and stolen IBM technology and Bill Gates is supposed to be the richest man in the world depending on where the stock market on any day.  And to think most of these guys -- Gates, Jobs, etc., -- started in garages. Henry Ford started in a barn near Frankfort, Illinois.

Gun control -- bad deal. Yes, I have a "carry permit" but can only carry in certain states.  Illinois does not allow any personal carry laws so only the bad guys and cops can carry a gun.  But, if I use my gun illegally or carelessly I will lose my privilege of carrying a gun. We have THOUSANDS of laws on the book about guns but few are enforced. We take them away from the bad guys and melt them down in the steel mills. It really does not make a lot of sense to us either. All the liberals want to do is create more gun laws until we have an Australian situation where even the antique collections are destroyed. Not good.  We still believe we have a right to protect ourselves even if we have to protect ourselves from the government. Ala Germany, Poland, etc., who had their guns taken and then subdued and subjected. We won't allow that here. There are enough military veterans who will fight for freedom at any cost. We do not believe "Better Red than dead." Also, I am a former Military Police officer and did some federal and state work .. I have done a lot of photography for various agencies in some strange circumstances.  My wife threatened to leave me if I did not get out of that work so I quit for her and the kids. I still miss it.

I don't buy that, JM. "....supporter of successive US administrations who are raining terror on their own American people."  I did not support Bill Clinton and consider him and his wife to be Commie SOBs. We screwed up in bombing the aspirin factory -- acknowledged. Bad move. I don't know why we did that.  Not in the "plan."  The Chinese embassy was no mistake. That was deliberate no matter how badly how our leaders apologized and beat their breasts over it.  They had it coming and I'm sure the survivors of Tianamen Square at least smiled.  They are NOT our friends even if our governments kowtows to them.  Tell you what, we sure don't feel terrorized by our government -- just cheated out of tax dollars poorly spent.

McVeigh never said those words about being a Crusader.  He didn't say much of anything and went calmly to his deserved death. He was a SOLDIER. WACO was a travesty and the very WORST of America. Those poor people and NOBODY is being held accountable. Clinton and Janet Reno should be in prison for that debacle. The ATF had no legal right to be there that day and start that fiasco. Tanks against civilians!! WE DON'T DO THAT in this country -- but WE DID THAT DAY!! (JM Comment: He fails to see the contradiction in his stand of the previous para!!) Insane and criminal. Koresh was a clown but so what? He wasn't bothering anybody.

I know -- the election was kind of farbed up.  However, recounts have proven he did win in Florida. Our Electoral College needs to be abolished. It just doesn't work anymore. There was so much corruption on both sides of that mess and I'm glad it's over. Chicago here voted more people for Gore than what we have in population! It's just a mess...I agree. Bush is still legally president and I'm glad of that much. Popular mandate is not how it works with an Electoral College -- see above. Needs work.

ABM treaties -- we had one with Russia and we scrapped all of our Nuke missiles around our major cities and Russia never removed one lousy rocket.  That's why we don't like anti-defensive missile treaties. They still have thousands and we have none.  We are not building any nuclear weapons. Haven't been for years. We've torn up all of underground silos with the big ICBM's in them....gone.  I've seen it. I've been there when even I could shot for going through the wrong gate and now it's all wide open. And, we are worried about India and Pakistan blowing up each other. Not good for the cows, either.

I've got to get some work down around here and do what I'm paid for.  More later.  I'll keep working on this "book" of yours.  Peace, love and joy ....

The NEWC   


 JM Comment: The NEWC continues his conspiracy theory, but not when it comes to the election of his nominee as President of the US, George W. Bush.


Email No. 13

From: JM
Sent: 9/25/01 19:39 +0000
To: The NEWC
Subject: Re: Me again

Hi The NEWC,

We are out of tune - I think you have to catch up on one mail - so I
will hold my reply to your last post till you do so.

I will then tell you a story about BBC, my wife and Waco.

Anyway, I had a good laugh about your logic about Gore and Clinton being
Commies (and by corollary, George Bush not being one). Coming from a
land which we have had several democratically elected Commie Governments
with an active electorate of over 25 million and virtually 100%
literacy, it seemed the other way round to me.

Probably the worst enemy of the US is Microsoft and Bill Gates. Not the
Taliban or Osama Bin Laden. We can discuss that a little later after you
take a look at the latest virus alert. Is this the 73000 virus for the
Windows platform? Germ warfare at its very best.

  • W32.Vote.A@mm is a mass-mailing worm that is written in Visual Basic.
    When executed, it will email itself out to all email addresses in the
    Microsoft Outlook address book. The worm will insert two .vbs files on
    the system, and it will also attempt to delete files from several
    anti virus products.
  • It requires the file Msvbvm50.dll to execute.
  • When executed, the worm will attempt to email itself to all contacts in
    the Microsoft Outlook address book. The email will appear as follows.
  • Subject: Fwd:Peace BeTweeN AmeriCa and IsLaM!
    Message:
    Hi

    iS iT A waR Against AmeriCa Or IsLaM !?
    Let's Vote To Live in Peace!
    Attachment: WTC.EXE
  • Next, the worm will insert two .vbs files on the system:
  • \\ZaCker.vbs
  • \\MixDaLaL.vbs
  • In addition, the worm will attempt to download and execute a file. This
    file is detected as Backdoor.Trojan by Norton Antivirus.
  • Finally, the worm will attempt to delete all files from several folders.
    These folders appear to be the default installation folders for several
    antivirus products. For Norton AntiVirus, this worm will only attempt to
    delete the files if Norton Antivirus is located in C:\Program
    Files\Norton AntiVirus.

Regards

JM


Email No. 14

From: The NEWC
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:55:02 -0400
To: JM
Subject:RE:Me again

Hi! Agreed. We're out of tune.  My computer was down yesterday and I wrote my treatise on why America is God's gift to the free world.  I have several pages of your material to catch up on.  I'm at work and cannot devote ALL day to it.  You cover a lot ground in a hurry.  

The NEWC


Email No. 15

From: The NEWC
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:03:36 -0400
To: JM
Subject:RE:Me again

Did you get any of that.  I hit the right button on my mouse and the screen went blank!!


Email No. 16

From: The NEWC
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2001 6:41:05 PM Europe/Helsinki
To: JM
Subject: Re: Hello JM

Oh my. Our views are at such opposite poles. How can two educated people in this world be so diametrically opposed? Makes me wonder.

Yes, I agree somewhat with Gordon Sinclair. We are the first to help and share. It's our nature, I guess.

Of course America was not the only country to fight WW I but Europe was whipped by the Kaiser (Caesar) until we arrived to stop the killing. How did America profit from that? And we lost a lot of good men fighting someone else's war, too. A lot of them died from disease before they got to the fight. Fair? Should we not have fed Somalia or stopped the Serbs from murdering Bosnians?

Yes, to our everlasting shame, we did create Saddam and Bin Laden -- again trying -- at least in Laden's case -- the keep them from being mauled by the Soviets. (
JM Comment: Again he is unable to see the fallacy of his arguments!! Why arm a Saudi to fight Russians in Afghanistan - is that not American state sponsored terrorism?) Yes, and then the bastard turned on us. Like, who knew? He's ticked off because we kicked Saddam out of Kuwait? Somebody had to stop the bloodshed AND, YES, keep the oil flowing. Saddam was killing Turks and Kurds before we got there. He didn't need our help to do that.

I totally disagree about people coming to America -- one of the main reasons is to EAT, not just freedom. And you should see what we lavish upon them -- interest free loans to buy businesses, food stamps (welfare) and tax shelters for seven years. Americans can't get that. I'm an Army veteran and I can't get that deal. My wife is a Colonel's daughter and she can't get it. You could, just by coming over here.

Yes, I have thought about why the Berlin wall was built and I used to be engaged to a West Berliner so I do have "insider" knowledge about it. That wall was not built just to keep me from buying a beer in East Berlin. How many good people died trying to escape from East to West? Why did West Berliners NOT try to scale the wall going IN? Come on, JM.

How could we possibly profit from Somalia, Bosnia, rat holes in Africa (the Dutch have all the gold and the highly inflated diamond market) North Korea, etc., etc. I don't even want to VISIT those places let alone steal from them.

AIDS did not start over here and it's rampant in Africa where it did start. I'll bet you don't visit Amsterdam, if you catch my drift. Greek style, anyone? Yes, we have our "homosexual colonies" over here but it is NOT the American lifestyle. However, I will admit that I have to write a letter to a former girl friend today. She later married, had three kids and is now a lesbian. Go figure.

I really think you are reaching deep down to blame us for tornadoes and earth quakes. The pre-Columbian Indians told us about "Hurry Canes" when we arrived and Krakatoa wasn't our fault nor Pompeii! We didn't consign Atlantis to the depths. Point is, all those natural disasters happened long before our little 200 year history.

I do agree with you about McDonalds. If you think that's bad, wait until somebody shoves a Walmart up your kiester. No, I'm not just being crude and rude. Walmart is a disaster of its own and wipes out loads of local merchants and people flock to it like cows to the barn at milking time. WE do NOT patronize McD's or Walmart.

Nope -- I've noticed the G7 riots, too. And I, for one, do not fully understand it. I'm really not that attuned to what the G7 wants, does, etc., and so I don't know what all the protests are about. The reason? I have to work for a living. When I come home I play with my trains, dogs, computer, wife, TV, books, magazines, etc. We go to a lot of movies and eat out a lot.

But, now she's lost her job because her left knee gave out and we will have to tighten the belt some.

People butchered by American policies? Now, my head isn't that far in the sand. We had nothing to with the Holocaust, starving the Armenians, or 50 million Chinese, or the millions in Cambodia by Pol Pot, or the Tutsies and Hutus in Africa or the Dutch farmers in South Africa, I would imprison Desmond Tutu if given the chance and never allow him to see daylight again. He and his girlfriend.

Oh yeh, the Muslims hate our lifestyle so much they were swilling down the booze and gambling and throwing money around like so many leaves before they attacked us.

Why are two little American girls in a Taliban prison for being Christian and could be be-headed for entering a Muslim house, or carrying a bible or mentioning the name of Jesus? They could just as easily be from England or France.

I've read The Ugly American and I know about a little about how the food we donate is repackaged and all American markings are removed. I know the Taliban has confiscated 14,000 tons of food for its own use while the people starve. Yes, and I know about American steel companies who buy Jap steel, wipe off the markings and sell it to unsuspecting customers as domestic steel and then cry about illegal dumping on our markets. (JM Comment: This was news to me!! If the Americans can do this, why not the rest of the world?)

Also, remember that I said we have the most corrupt government in the world and I know it. We try to vote them out and new ones take over. But I will not stand by and watch 6,000 people murdered and billions of dollars of property destroyed and our economy in a shambles over some sandrat in Afghanistan. We will pound them all into the dust of history.

Yes, we are a powerful nation but we have only been here for a couple of hundred years and we come from England, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Greece, Hungary, Poland ...... from every country in the World Atlas. We sure got big in a hurry. But according to my Western Civilization text book, the world hated the Romans, the Goths, Genghis Khan, the English, the French, the Moors, long before our forefathers landed here and started making homes out of the wilderness. And now we've been messed with and John Wayne will ride again ..... this will not go unanswered.

By the by -- they've shut down a lot of incoming e-mail at work because of Nimda or some other worm so I might not be receiving you at .......... Sorry.

And again, peace, love and joy ..........

The NEWC


JM Comment: Here he is totally confused and out of his depth - he has no knowledge of African politics or American strategy to gain control of vital resources in Africa. He avoids major issues as support for Mobutu and loses his reasoning in trying to implicate Bishop Desmond Tutu. And he comes back to his hobby horse - America is run by John Wayne and the movie moguls. He also comes to the opinion about how educated he is and tries to bring me round to considering how educated I am. This does not bite with me.


Email No. 17

From: The NEWC
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2001 6:42:20 PM Europe/Helsinki
To: JM
Subject: Re: Hello JM

Wow! That one almost choked my computer going out!! This machine is only about 11 years old! Have a great weekend.

The NEWC


Email No. 18

From: JM
Date: 30/09/2001, 4.49 +0000
To: The NEWC
Subject: Re: Hello JM

Hi The NEWC,

If you had a 1991 Apple Mac PowerBook 170, as I have, that post would not have choked your computer. That is my workhorse computer which has been running non-stop for the last 6 years (it is never switched off). It has a 25 (upgraded to 33) MHz processor, a 160 MB Hard Disk, 8 MB of RAM (16 MB with 8 MB virtual RAM) switched on, and external Hard Disk of 10 GB, an internal and external modem (I use the 33 kbs external modem for my internet connection) and it does not have a single Microsoft product on it - so it has been totally trouble free running System 7.6.

My second computer is a 350 MHz Apple iMac with 320 MB RAM, a 6 GB internal Hard Disk with a 20 GB external hard disk, and running Mac System 9.1 and System OSX, depending on which programmes I want to run. It has a 56 kbs internal modem. (My ADSL connection should be done any day now. I am waiting for the phone company to turn up to set it up.) This newer machine still has a few bugs, probably because I have to run some Microsoft software on it, mainly to check how my web pages look on an Internet Explorer browser.

I am a computer idiot - I do not know the difference between Apples and Tomatoes as far as computers are concerned - but follow one golden rules - stay away from Microsoft products.

I have read your first email of yesterday with great interest. The answers to two sentences I think answers it all:

  • ***
    > "How can two educated people in this world be so
    > diametrically opposed?  Makes me wonder."
    ***

What is education?

Is it the ability, not to get some university degrees - I have a few of them from around the world - but to see the world as it is from the point of view of other people.

I was brought up on 1930-40  US editions of Readers Digests, Superman, Tom Mix, Lone Ranger, Roy Rogers and Dale Evans, Gene Autry, Hopalong Cassidy and numerous other American comic book. But I also read Dickens, Shakespeare, Lamb, and other authors as R. K. Narayan, during my early years. Plus I imbibed my own culture where we were taught that all people were equal in the sight of God - and my classmates and dear friends included, Hindus, Muslims, Parsis, Indian Jews (of Iraqi and North African origins), Jains, Sikhs, Americans, Yugoslavians, English, Anglo-Indians, Orthodox Christians, Anglicans, Catholics.

I learnt to appreciate the music of Joan Baez, Bob Dylan and the Beatles, as much as I liked the music of Sibelius, Tchaikovsky, Bach, Beethoven to the sitar of Ravi Shankar and the violin of Yehudi Menuhin.

42 years after leaving school, out of my 110 odd schoolmates, I am in touch with over 60 of them and they are located around the world, some working in the World Bank, some in the UN, some professors in institutions as Oxford University, a Nobel Prize nominee, some retired now (as a VP of IBM (US)), some multi-millionaires, others living of their earned pensions.

So the views I obtain are from all corners of the world from a cross-section of people who have learned to respect each other and our differences of opinion on a variety of subjects.

To me that is a small portion of my education.

Not only am I the focus of my classmates, but over a 1000 of my old school students of all ages from 1949 school leavers to students in the year 2001 now have become eager recipients of my newsletters. One drives a Ferrari on the backroads of CA and we discuss the Formula 1 scene with the merits and fortunes of Mika Hakkinen and Michael Schumacher, and other car racing circuits with the same amount of interest in each others lives as I do matters of music and literature with my former physics teacher who lives in Canada  and is now retired.

To me, your opinion represents such a narrow view of life that I query the word - "education" used by you.

I feel that at my age of 58 I am not yet educated as I am still learning from people everyday - right from my grandson aged 4+ to people like you. I handle close to 300 emails every morning and never leave one unacknowledged till the next day.

You, on the other hand, feel that you are American and educated!!

I think that is the basic difference between us.

As regards the other points in your earlier email - I will answer them in detail  in my next post in hopefully 2 days time. My grandson has a rigourous schedule for his granddad later today. It is 4:50 am in Oulu just now and I am preparing his office room next to mine in the cellar after finishing clearing my morning post.

Best regards

JM


Email No. 19

From: The NEWC
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2001 2:38:46 AM Europe/Helsinki
To: JM
Subject: Re: Hello JM

I didn't say that because I am an American I am educated and that all Americans are educated. I am an educated American and I too hold several university degrees and taught both high school and at a university in Chicago. We used to have a Catholic priest from India come to our home after Mass at St. John's in Glenwood where I was the organist at the time. He was studying at the Chicago Theological Union. Together we mapped out a program to bring Indian youth to America, place them with families until they at least finished high school, and would then have the option of returning to India to help their people or continuing on here. It failed for lack of financial backing.

Most of America, like most of the world, wallows in a painful lack of formal education. We only have about 60 to 65% literacy in this country. Many - too many - homes have but one parent. Our "ghettos" are a shambles. But, in this land of opportunity, even they can rise above their position in life and attain fame and fortune.

My old computer is an IBM clone made by "INFINITI" but I bought it from a local computer store down in Salem, Indiana, Very expensive at the time -- over $3,000.

It was 8 mhz with a "turbo boost" to 25 mhz with 8 mgs. RAM and a 40 mg hard drive and 9 mg hard drive. Now it cooks along at 133 mhz, 64 mgs RAM and a 4.2 gig hard drive with a Pentium processor. I had it upgraded twice now.

Anyway, at age 59, I do not consider my education to be complete and would love to be a full time student as well as teacher. I found the best way to learn a subject is to teach it. Worked for me. I am not into philosophy and psychology.

I don't see how you can judge my views to be so narrow when we have discussed so little. What I am is a patriotic American who sees his country in trouble and I sure didn't cause it and there is precious little I can do about it. The sudden wave of patriotism over here now really bothers me. What is coming bothers me even more and few can see it.

I've got to go...... see you later.

The NEWC


JM Comment: He is caught between the devil and the deep blue sea as he has to run from his position of how educated Americans are to that HE is educated. An even worse assertion from him. He has left his defences wide open for me to move in.


Email No. 20

From: The NEWC
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 3:06:49 PM Europe/Helsinki
To: JM
Subject: FW: FW: Fw: Cool Graphic

 

Hey, JM, to hear part of your former country took a hit from these bad boys. Now that's something you cannot blame on America but I do think you'll agree that terrorism against defenseless civilians must be stopped. Rome airport??  Peace, brother

--

The NEWC

-----Original Message-----
From: Friend 1
To: The NEWC and Multiple Recipients
Sent: 10/1/01 1:58 PM
Subject: FW: FW: Fw: Cool Graphic

What does this image mean?


JM Comment: He tries to break in with some "Americanism" with his forwarding of a picture - which to me makes no sense!! I do not share the same values as shown in the picture - but he cannot understand that. There are only categories of people - those who love America and others who are enemies of America.


Email No. 21

From: JM
Date: 02/10/2001, 15.41 +0000
To: The NEWC
Subject: Re:FW:FW:FW:Cool Graphic

Hi The NEWC,

  • > Hey, JM, those of us with a country to honor and love
    > and defend feel this way when we are attacked.  Also very
    > sorry to hear part of your former country took a hit from
    > this bad boys.

I do not have any former country or present country or future country. I have all countries as my brothers and sisters and anyone/any country that does wrong should be tried and punished - including whom you may defend on patriotic basis. There can be no excuse as collateral damage under which guise the US gets away with Blue Murder. That includes the US pilot who killed Ghaddafi's daughter.

For every child which loses its leg to an mine, the US (or any other country) should pay damages in millions - not hide under the cheap rhetoric. And the politician/army officer who ordered that mine placement and the battalion that laid that mine should pay from his/their own pockets and not from the State exchequer.

I think then we will have a different ball game.

  • > Now that's something you cannot blame on America but
    > I do think you'll agree that terrorism against  defenseless
    > civilians must be stopped. Rome airport?? 

I do not accept any terrorism and least of all state sponsored terrorism, in which the US, without doubt, especially through its covert operations, is the No. 1 offender. Take any country in the world and you will find US sponsored covert terrorist activities against legitimate governments. And that includes against the US citizens themselves in the US.

Regards

JM


JM Comment: I move my attack from patriotism to globalism. The NEWC is lost.


Email No. 22

From: The NEWC
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 3:07:35 PM Europe/Helsinki
To: JM
Subject: FW: Come out and Play

If you don't smile when you view this!!!!! You are not a revengeful person!
 
The NEWC

-----Original Message-----
From: Friend Y
To: The NEWC and Multiple Recipients
Sent: 9/27/01 11:34 AM
Subject: FW: Come out and Play

What does this image mean?


JM Comment: More attempt at American humour!! I do not understand it!!


Email No. 23

From: The NEWC
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 3:09:21 PM Europe/Helsinki
To: JM
Subject: FW: Air Force Come and Flatten your home
Attachments: There is 1 attachment

-----Original Message-----
From: Friend 3
To: Multiple Recipients

Sent: 10/1/01 10:08 AM
Subject: FW: Air Force Come and Flatten your home

-----Original Message-----
From: Friend 2
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:28 AM
To: Multiple Recipients
Subject: Fw: Air Force Come and Flatten your home

     I can't open this here at work -- my DSL doesn't support it - strictly business, you know..... but, this typifies the feelings around America.    NEWC

----- Original Message -----
From: Friend1
To: Multiple Recipients
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 3:43 PM
Subject: Fw: Air Force Come and Flatten your home
>
> >  Air Force Come and Flatten your home
>

 <<Air Force Come and Flatten your home.mp3>>

FILE NOT RECEIVED


JM Comment: I do not get this attachment, not that it would have mattered, anyway.


Email No. 24

From: The NEWC
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 3:10:49 PM Europe/Helsinki
To: JM
Subject: FW: Montana Fire Picture
Attachments: There is 1 attachment

Then again, we can sometimes find beauty in tragedy. 

NEWC

-----Original Message-----
From: Friend 4
To: The NEWC
Sent: 10/23/00 2:45 PM
Subject: FW: Montana Fire Picture

This awesome picture was taken in Bitteroot National Forest in Montana on August 6, 2000.  The photographer, John McColgan, is a fire behavior analyst from Fairbanks, Alaska.  He took the picture with a digital camera. Because he was working at the time he took the picture he cannot profit from it; however, the picture is a once-in-a-lifetime shot and should be shared.

What does this image mean?

JM Comment: Why he brings this in seems quite oblique to me. I wondered whether he would consider some great photographic shots of the World Trade Center being rammed by the planes beauty in tragedy?


Email No. 25

From: The NEWC
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 08:22:11 -0400
To: JM
Subject: RE:I'm Proud To Be An American

Good morning, JM. This sums up the way we feel about it over here. 

God Bless

-- 

The NEWC

-----Original Message-----
To: The NEWC
Sent: 10/24/01 6:26 AM
Subject: FW: I'm Proud To Be An American.
 
Broken Arrow, Oklahoma School officials removed "God Bless America"
signs from schools in fear that someone might be offended.

Channel 12 News in Long Island, New York, orders flags removed
from the newsroom and red, white, and blue ribbons removed from
the lapels of reporters. Why? Management did not want to appear
biased and felt that our nation's flag might give the appearance
that "they lean one way or another".

Berkeley, California bans U.S. Flags from being displayed on city
fire trucks because they didn't want to offend anyone in the community.

In an "act of tolerance" the head of the public library at Florida
Gulf Coast University ordered all "Proud to be an American" signs
removed so as to not offend international students.

I, for one, am quite disturbed by these actions of so-called
American citizens; and I am tired of this nation worrying about
whether or not we are offending some individual or their culture.
Since the terrorist attacks on September 11, we have experienced a
surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However, the dust
from the attacks had barely settled in New York and Washington D.C.
when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the
possibility that our patriotism was offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone
who is seeking a better life by coming to America. In fact, our
country's population is almost entirely comprised of descendants
of immigrants; however, there are a few things that those who have
recently come to our country, and apparently some native Americans,
need to understand.

First of all, it is not our responsibility to continually try not
to offend you in any way. This idea of America being a multicultural
community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national
identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our
own language, and our own lifestyle. This culture, called the
"American Way" has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials,
and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
Our forefathers fought, bled, and died at places such as Bunker
Hill, Antietam, San Juan, Iwo Jima, Normandy, Korea, Vietnam, We
speak English, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or
any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our
society -- learn our language!

"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some
off-the-wall, Christian, Right Wing, political slogan -- it is our
national motto. It is engraved in stone in the House of
' Representatives in our Capitol and it is printed on our currency.
We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on
Christian principles, founded this nation; and this is clearly
documented throughout our history. If it is appropriate for our
motto to be inscribed in the halls of our highest level of
Government, then it is certainly appropriate to display it on the
walls of our schools.

God is in our pledge, our National Anthem, nearly every patriotic
song, and in our founding documents. We honor His birth, death,
and resurrection as holidays, and we turn to Him in prayer in times
of crisis. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another
part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our
culture and we are proud to have Him.

We are proud of our heritage and those who have so honorably defended
our freedoms. We celebrate Independence Day, Memorial Day, Veterans
Day, and Flag Day. We have parades, picnics, and barbecues where we
proudly wave our flag. As an American, I have the right to wave my
flag, sing my national anthem, quote my national motto, and cite my
pledge whenever and wherever I choose. If the Stars and Stripes offend
you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider
a move to another part of this planet.

The American culture is our way of life, our heritage, and we are
proud of it. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to
change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came
from. We are Americans, like it or not, this is our country, our
land, and our lifestyle.

Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express his
opinion about our government, culture, or society, and we will allow
you every opportunity to do so. But once you are done complaining,
whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto,
or our way of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other
great American freedom, the right to leave.

====================================
Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord.  Praise ye the Lord.
Psa. 150:6
====================================


JM Comment : Now here has come the classic line of all intolerant defeatists - if you cannot agree with them, then you had better quit!!


Email No. 26

From: JM
Date: 24/10/2001, 17:28 +0000
To: The NEWC
Subject: RE:I'm Proud To Be An American

  • ***
    > "In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not
    > some off-the-wall, Christian, Right Wing, political slogan
    > -- it is our national motto. It is engraved in stone in the
    > House of Representatives in our Capitol and it is printed
    > on our currency. We adopted this motto because Christian men
    > and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation;
    > and this is clearly documented throughout our history.
    > If it is appropriate for our motto to be inscribed in the
    > halls of our highest level of Government, then it is
    > certainly appropriate to display it on the walls
    > of our schools.
    ***

The Bible has a few  commandments which I think American "Christian" should try to understand:

1. Thou shalt not kill.
2. Love thy neighbour as thyself.
3. When smitten show the other cheek.

American "Christians" killed off 90% of the indigenous Indian population to establish America, brought slaves by killing hundreds of thousands of them in transit, and then treated them worse than dogs to establish this Great "democratic" America.

Now these same "Christians" want to kill of the rest of the world to establish the American "Christian" Way of life as a superpower.

What immaturity. Get a life, The NEWC.

If you Americans are so sincere "Christians", then station every available Boeing 747 on the borders of Afghanistan and fly out every refugee caused by the American bombing to your great "Christian" country and look after them rather than pumping them into another third world country to live like rats while Americans enjoy their great way of life, polluting this earth.

Otherwise, you are no worse than Osama Bin Laden, and I mean every single one of the patriotic Americans who have established America by killing off the indigenous population!!

  • ***
    > ====================================
    > Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord. 
    > Praise ye the Lord. Psa. 150:6
    > ====================================
    ***

The American objective obviously is to destroy everyone else so that only "Christian Americans" hath breath to praise their Lord of Death!!

As I said, The NEWC, take of your blinkers and get a life.

Your present great "democratically elected" President was not going to ratify the Chemical Weapons Treaty - and now you are getting a dose of his arrogance.

And now he wants to prepare a new chemicals weapons treaty - why the dickens should anyone accept a treaty framed by this stupid man whose face changes every time the wind changes direction?

Regards

JM


JM Comment: Now his jaw is fully exposed for my ko punch - he brings Christianity into his arguments, not realising that I am probably more Christian than him!!


Email No. 27

From: The NEWC
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:24:23 -0400
To: JM
Subject: I'm still proud, but...

I'll start with the slavery thing......

There are no slaves in American and haven't been for nearly 150 years. The Confederates had slaves and we fought a war to end that slavery. My family never owned any slaves. My great-grandfather and his brothers fought in the War Between the States (I still have his rifle at home) where over a quarter of a million American soldiers died to free those slaves.  We had an American president -- Mr. Lincoln - murdered over the slavery issue he thought he had settled.

The myth of slaves being dumped overboard is as fictitious as the one about the Europeans shooting the black men out of the sky who were flying around the pyramids.  Louis Farakan and his Nation of Islam claim that two million slaves were dumped overboard en route from Africa. What nonsense.  If the average price of a slave was $1,000 at the time, that would be two BILLION dollars in "cargo" dumped over board. That does not compute.

American slaves were actually quite well treated. A few were raped and some were beaten but a good slave cost more than good horse back in those days.  But, I repeat, there is no slavery in America BUT there is still slavery going on in many parts of the world today and that is what we need to direct our hostility towards.  Tell me that a woman in the Taliban culture is well off.

The refugees from Afghanistan have been pouring into Pakistan long before September 11. You see, I think it strange they would rush to Pakistan with the war with India heating up. I would think they would be afraid of the Indian Army more than the American Army.  American is also flying mission after mission to help feed the Afghan people.

Sorry about the turning the other cheek here but we are not going to turn away and left them take out as many buildings as they want to over here.

Speaking of bombing buildings ... I saw on TV how they were showing hovels they were claiming as having been destroyed by American bombs yet small tree and weeds were growing up through the rubble ... bombed yesterday?  I don't think so. Maybe ten years ago from the Russians...

We are not forcing Christianity on anyone ... those girls in the Afghan prison were not forcing Christ on them but are in jail for saying the name. That's punishable by death over there you know ... I wonder how Buddha would fare there ... oh, yeh, they blew up all the images, even those that were 1,500 years old. Guess even Buddha lost.

Be it agreed -- Americans two centuries ago killed off the Native Americans for their land. Doesn't mean I like it not that it was right. It was WRONG and I agree with you.  But I do wonder why someone with your abilities is not back home in India helping your old friends and family there and I am still interested in hearing about you wife's WACO connection,

Yes, third world nations live like rats and rats do turn on each other and eat each other when food runs low.  These people have had their cultures for hundreds and even thousands of years and little America has only been around for a little over 200 hundred years and look what we've accomplished while giving away BILLIONS to help other little countries around the world.

I have a life. Pretty good one by most standards. Own my own home, lovely and loving wife, two cars, two tractors (but God only knows why I have tractors now) and two dogs who live VERY well. 

Must admit I know NOTHING about a chemical weapons treaty going on around here. I know we've got a bunch of junk that's been stored around here since World War II they are afraid is going to leak out and can't safely get rid of it.

I guessing that Cathedral didn't sit too well with you. Gotta go ... best ...

The NEWC    


JM Comment: The NEWC's irrationality now sees no bounds - as he moves to try to defend the indefensible by denying facts.


Email No. 28

From: The NEWC
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:01:13 -0400
To: JM
Subject: Good morning, JM

I hope you're feeling better today.  I thought I might relate a true story to you about my family back in the early days of the Wild West and the American Indian.

Owen Hardy married my great-grandfather's sister, Catherine, and they moved from New York to Wisconsin in about 1860. At that time Wisconsin was considered "The West" and was the frontier.  Owen and Catherine found work at a sawmill where he was a "rafter" and she was a cook. A rafter floated logs and/or sawn lumber from the mill to the city.

Owen bought some land and built a log cabin there and started selling produce to the sawmill. He had a "sweet water" spring on that land and the next thing he knew, ten Indian families moved on the land that winter. Owen and Catherine would invite them in to sleep in the house on cold winter nights and the Indians would often leave a deer or a barrel of fish in the porch.

The log cabin grew to be a large five bedroom house on the main road to Green Bay, Wisconsin, and became the local hotel for missionaries, mail carriers and travelers and, of course, the Indians were still camped out back.  I guess they didn't mind sleeping with Owen's pet bear.

Owen made a good living hauling lumber, produce and barrels of salted fish to Green Bay and owned the finest carriage and horse teams in the county. Many of my family credited the Indians with helping them through their first winters in Wisconsin, which are quite brutal.

The point is, my family would have been "Indian Lovers" not killers of the Indians.  The tribe up there is the Oneida and they are part of the Huron nation. They are still up there as are descendants of Owen and Catherine Hardy.  If fact, the Oneidas have a huge casino and every registered member of the tribe gets a check every month for part ownership. One of our drivers, Sam Ninham, is an Oneida from up there and we are good friends. He gets his checks. The NEWCs, the Hardys and the Oneidas helped each other and worked together in peace and friendship. It is written into our family history and it happened 140 years ago.

In 1835, Governor Dodge of the Wisconsin Territory, bought land from Chief Oshkosh and paid the fair market price for it which I believe was $1 an acre at the time. There were no bloody wars or uprisings in Wisconsin.  The treaty is known as "The Treaty of the Cedars." Should be on the internet somewhere. They sure have a lot of historical markers where it all happened.

And .... no The NEWCs EVER owned any slaves nor do we care to do so today nor did we come over here as indentured servants which is pretty much the same as slavery except that it usually had a time limit ... and .. it is a matter of public record that we fought to free the slaves. But again, that was a long time ago and in this country it doesn't much matter who your great-grand-daddy was. Heck, JM, one of my ancestors is Charles I, King of England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales and France. Didn't keep Parliament from cutting off his head and it didn't get me a free scholarship to Oxford. 

Have a good day and I wish you peace... and ... I am NOT related to bin Ladin ...  bye ....

The NEWC     or Thomas Harold Edward The NEWC(e) VII.

hence: THE NEWC  


JM Comment: I do not know whether this is an attempt at humour of whether he really believes all this rubbish so as to glorify his ancestry. However, it shows an attempt to create a venerated history when none probably exists.¨


Email No. 29

From: JM
Date: 26/10/2001, 23:03 +0000
To: The NEWC
Subject: Re:I'm still proud, but...

Dear The NEWC,

It appears that history that one does not like and is not convenient is to be trashed - be it by the "Hindu" Hindutva in India or by "Christian" Americans that inherited the "Christian" slave trade legacy in America.

  • "The myth of slaves being dumped overboard is as fictitious...."

You sound just like the neo-Nazis who say that there was not a single gas chamber in Germany during World War II. Or the neo-Mussolinists who claim that that Mussolini was God's gift to Italy!! Or the Japanese....

Next, in a couple of decades will you be saying that America did not drop a single Napalm Bomb in Vietnam?

Yes, it appears that just like beauty, history is in the eyes of the beholder!!

I think your geography about India, Pakistan and Afghanistan is a rather poor.

If they are fleeing the Indian Army from Afghanistan - then they are moving from the frying pan into the fire as they are moving straight towards the Indian Army!!.

Wonderful how like in Kuwait, "democratic" America teams up with a non-democratic leader of Pakistan to fight another non-democratic country!!

Destroy Pakistan if Americans are so concerned about democracy.

Be honest - Americans care damn about democracy, just the plain "American way of life" at the expense of others. Americans are ready to team up with the devil to get their way. That seems to be the "American Christian" way. And in most cases, Americans create yet another  devil in the process - as it is convenient for them.

The refugees have been pouring into Pakistan ever since the British persecuted the Afghans, and later the Americans and the Russia decided to make Afghanistan a bone of contention in the Cold War - and neither have cared a damn about the Afghan people.

Take care of the refugees and war victims that Americans create, then people will respect the American way of life. Go after the persons from America who cause the death of innocent civilians, and do not protect them just because they are American pilots.

Donating American surplus food stocks grown at the expense of polluting the world is hardly a comfort for people who have lost their fathers, mothers, grandfathers or children.

Do you think that Osama Bin Laden should air drop floral wreathes daily using his billions of dollars of wealth got from selling oil and heroin to the Americans to the families of those who lost loved ones in the WTC bombing? Great comfort that would be!!

So, it appears that the American "Christian" way is to take parts of the Bible which is convenient for their way of life and trash the inconvenient!!

What are the Americans bombing in Afghanistan - Red Cross food storage dumps and killing aid workers and civilians - this collateral damage is acceptable to Americans when it happens outside America  to other nationalities but they cannot accept the collateral damage that happens to Americans within America when it is a reaction to the disliked "American way of life".

The NEWC, think for a minute - Why are Americans hated around the world if they are giving so much in aid?

Americans are giving nothing in "aid".

The NEWC - look carefully in the statistics and America always takes back double of what it gives.

Even the UN Headquarters gives to the US and New York economy almost double of the so-called US contribution to the UN,  which contribution it never makes on time and holds the UN at ransom to get it . See the answer UN Secretary General Kofi Annan gave me, personally, on BBC a couple of years ago on the Talking Point programme and the associated references. You will find it somewhere on my site archives that you trashed initially. (JM Comment: See the section Late Late News in Findians Briefings.)

I am afraid you do not seem to know how American missionaries work, The NEWC. Armchair discussions are not worth a dime. Get around and see what some missionaries have been and are doing in third world countries.

  • ***
    >  "I have a life. Pretty good one by most standards. Own
    > my own home, lovely and loving wife, two cars, two
    > tractors (but God only knows why I have tractors now)
    > and two dogs who live VERY well. "
    ***

The NEWC, you have an American way of life, guzzling cheap petrol got from dictators who crush their own people to keep the American way of life evaporating, polluting the atmosphere so that the rest of the world, all 190 other countries can go to hell so long as the American way of life is preserved.  Great idea of democracy that the Americans seem to have.

Cathedral has taught me not to accept what you say as gospel truth - and for that I am grateful. It has taught me that I am NOT educated. I have to study and try to see the other person's point of view . But,  to say it honestly, I cannot agree with the American point of view in spreading aggression around America or the world to serve its own interests. Maybe that is why the rest of the world has to live like rats.

Think for a moment, what if 1 billion Indians each had two gas guzzling cars and they were given petrol at the price you pay for it? And what about a billion and a half Chinese also having 2 cars each!!

Do you think for a moment that America will continue to get even one ounce of oil?

If every Indian drinks just one more cup of tea a day - there will be no tea for America!! Then won't we have to bomb those selfish tea guzzling Indians to preserve the American tea drinking way of life  - won't we, The NEWC?

The NEWC, India, Finland, UK are my homes as also, America, where I have many many relatives, Germany, Australia, Malaysia, Kuwait, Japan, and many other countries where I have dear friends of all nationalities.

I am patriotic to all people who have aspirations for peace - not to India or America who are war-mongering. Let us give up the facade which says that anyone is prepared to die for their country - they are not - they are only prepared to KILL FOR IT!!

What is happening is the false notion of patriotism - it is another form of hate, and that is what is indoctrinated in the Military Schools of yesterday and today. Grown men want to play games with guns and missiles. And it is sad and wrong for anyone to claim that it is "Buddhist", "Christian, "Hindu" or "Muslim"".

What is happening is in no way "Christian". American and most Americans are as far from "Christianity" as is Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban are from Islam. Both follow a religion of convenience.

I suggest you read your "democratically-elected" President's utterings on non-acceptance of the Chemical Weapons treaty as also his mouthings on "unilateral withdrawal from the ABM treaty when it suits American interests". He is the same goon who mouths words of the American "Crusade" on one hand and then tries to pacify "Muslims" by saying that there is no bone of contention against "Muslims". What else is the meaning of the "Christian" word of "Crusade". Is it not the same as "Jihad"? Would you care to explain the difference?

I will give you the WACO reference, again somewhere on the site you trashed earlier, at a later date as I am quite busy getting my new ADSL connection at home working as it should. I am just installing System 9.2 and OS X10.1 and thereafter should have a even more stable operating platform to run my own server. I just saw the Microsoft Windows XP and I have not seen such a load of crap and they are doing what we were doing on the Mac over 4 years ago - and doing it badly!!

I am installing System 10.1 so this outgoing message has been delayed. I will be working to tune up my computer over the weekend and should be back with regular communications by Monday.

Regards

JM


Email No. 30

From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:42:24 -0500
To: JM
Subject: Hello, JM

I'm going to have to do this one in installments .. you sure covered a lot of ground.

Yes there were gas chambers in Germany and I can accept the figure of 6 million Jews, BUT, for every Jew who died there was a Lutheran or  a Catholic or a Gypsy or some other "unacceptable" person who was in the same camp and turned to ash in the same ovens and the Jews do not want to talk about that. If 200 million people died in WW II then the Jews were only 2% of the kill. What about counting the other 98%.

Yep, we dropped napalm in Korean and Nam. I admit it because it is the truth, it happened and I can't change that and I couldn't have changed it then. Guilty.

I may have worded that wrong about the Afghans fleeing to the Indian army.  What I mean was, people have been fleeing Afghanistan for many years and Pakistan is at War with India most of the time and India has nuclear weapons, do they not? I thought I said that apparently they are not afraid of the Indian army as much as they are the Talibans. I saw on TV where the Taliban was showing where we nasty Americans had bombed some poor man's hovel. Bunk!  There were weeds and small trees growing up through the dirt and rocks. It wasn't blown up the last day, week month or year!  AND, I don't understand the war between India and Pakistan either.

Honestly, what can we hope to gain from Afghanistan? (JM Comment: Obviously this man had not heard of what was his Vice President's interest in Enron and Halliburton and the pipeline through Afghanistan to feed the Enron plant in Mumbai, and other oil advantages of gaining a foothold in Afghanistan!!) They've got nothing and never had anything we want.  The Taliban is not the duly elected government there and have made those people lives miserable. They have murdered thousands, starved regions to death, forced widows and orphans into the streets to beg and then made it illegal to beg. Nice folks. (JM Comment: And so America has to intervene? Would The NEWC have liked it if the Chinese had imntervened for the way the white Americans were and are treating the blacks in their country?)

Okay, let's check history.  We started the Spanish - American war because we THOUGHT they blew up our ship and we wanted the land. I know. Now we find out the MAINE's coal bins ignited the powder room and BOOM! Of course we found out a hundred years too late.

We did not start WW I or WW II.  The Japs attacked us because we didn't want them to take Australia. Bummer. And what did we do after the war?    Hold that thought -- I'll be back.   

The NEWC


JM Comment: Now his anti-Semitism comes to the fore. I now understand he belongs to the pro-MacArthur, anti-Truman lobby, where President Truman was a traitor and in the hands of the Jews who were fostering Communism!!


Email No. 31

From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:49:18 -0500
To: JM
Subject: Back for more...

Somalia -- what did we expect to gain by going in and feeding those starving people? We knew it was ruled by little warlords with their pretend kingdoms but we fed the poor bastards and they murdered our men for it. We get double back?  Not there, surely.  Mussolini attacked Ethiopia and we went in and fed them too and now it looks as if we're going to have to do it again.

I do not have a clue as what the Russians expected to gain in Afghanistan.  There is nothing there -- no gold, oil or silver.  Just a lot of hungry people and camels.  And we sure don't want the women!

"Spreading aggression ... " Sounds like a Marxist line to me. We were sitting here comfortably at home, I thought we were minding our own business and WHAM -- 6,000 dead people.  (JM Comment: He may have been sitting at home but whjat about all those FBI and CIA agents handling covert operatuions around the world?) That cannot go unanswered. You can only turn the other cheek until your neck breaks. Clinton backed down and Bush I failed to finish the job in the Gulf last time though I do understand his reasons for letting Saddam off the hook. I don't like a guy who murders tens of thousands of his own people.  But, JM, what is your solution to Saddam? He has murdered thousands of Kurds for WHAT?  Do we simply ignore that and say that is his business and his people to kill as he wishes?  Was Amin to be allowed to continue eating his victims without interference?  Saddam invaded a sovereign nation and plundered it and then set fire to the oil wells to cut the competition.  Do we just let it alone and say "Allah wills it"?

When our ship the COLE was bombed and our sailors killed, we did NOTHING and look at what NOTHING got us. (JM Comment: And what was the Cole doing there in Arabian waters?)

I agree that we will not give up our oil (JM Comment: Whose oil?) UNTIL we get smart enough to use hydrogen and solar power which just happens to be one of the classes I taught at Chicago State University.  But, we should be getting our oil from Mexico and Russia and not the Middle East. Did you know that all of the oil from Alaska NEVER reaches the United States?  It goes to Japan and other Pacific Rim countries so we can buy oil from Iran and Saudi. Does not make sense, does it?

Yes, everybody uses the Bible and the Koran and the Talmud to suit their own purposes.  Shameful. But, it will never change.

Jihad - Crusade -- I wasn't around when the Crusades began but it seems to me the main purpose was to regain the lands TAKEN BY FORCE by the Muslims .... No/Yes?  When did they get the right to storm Jerusalem and take it?  The Crusades were a bungled mess.   Crusade / Jihad -- not much difference, although Americans do not consider this mess to be a holy crusade.  We are fighting IN Afghanistan: we are NOT fighting Afghanistan.  We are fighting the Taliban who have not right or reason to be in Afghanistan nor murder / starve the indigenous population there. May we now agree on that? (JM Comment: He wants me to agree that the Americans have the right to determine every one elses future!!)

Gotta go .....

The NEWC


JM Comment: His lack of knowledge of what came first - the chicken or the egg - is evident.


Email No. 32

From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:56:31 -0500
To: JM
Subject: Round Three

I hate doing this piece-meal but this send won't send over 100K and people keep coming and going ...

The collateral damage is a crying shame and I'm  sorry for it. Now we hear the Tallies are putting tanks in schools and mosques. Shame that.  They could go home or they could surrender and stop killing the Afghans seeing as how they don't belong there to begin with.

Now we hear the Muslims in Iran don't like the Taliban either...and the Saudis want to stay out of it because they are afraid of everybody. A retired police officer from the Indiana State Police whom I once knew quite well, was in Saudi Arabia a few years ago running and training their army for them.  Anyway, it is hard to tell the good guys from the bad guys over there -- just like NAM -- but it still a shame the innocent get killed.  I'll bet we don't kill nearly as many as the Taliban has. (JM Comment: Great to play a numbers game of who kills more!!)

I'm sorry -- visitors again .... must go ... back soon. ..

Best regards ... 

The NEWC


Email No. 33

From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:02:09 -0500
To: JM
Subject: Round 4

I'm back -- sorry for the interruptions but I am at work and I am the boss and people come to see me...... 

Missionaries next ...

Now there is something I know NOTHING about. Ever since I was a kid, the nuns would have us give up our nickles and dimes for the missionaries and once in a while they would come and address the school about how important their work was ..

BUT ..

I've got a feeling that you are going to tell me they didn't just teach and give out medicine and pray ... so here's an opportunity for me to learn something new. Go for it.....

Back to the double or nothing game ....

you say we get double for every dollar we give ..

what did we gain out of India?  We gave billions in aid to India and all we got a flood of immigrants. (JM Comment: Flood of immigrants from India to the US. Now he is dreaming!!) Then we forgave the debt! What's in that for me, Mr. Average American? Or for the government ... and this in a country where they will starve to death before they will eat a cow and will torch a wife if the family does not cough up more dowry. Not too enlightened there. And who can ever forget that great hit on the top music parade, "What's behind the blouse?" Seems to me India has a few problems of its own and what is the deal with Pakistan over some mountain pass? (JM Comment: He equates Kashmir to a mountain pass - great level of knowledge.)

I have read the UGLY AMERICAN and I do understand how things are twisted to make out that our foreign aid comes from the Communists or we poisoned the grain we sent .... .

I have an aunt who hated my father. She was my mother's sister.  They were quite poor and we used to go down there (150 miles) on weekends and take bags of groceries for them while they live in a garage that had been made liveable for them. But she kept having babies anyway. My folks fed them which means my sister and I had to do without things .. no big deal .. My aunt always treated my dad rather well in front of people and after Mom died she threw my father and sister out of the house over who would put the marker on Mom's grave and said my dad could not be buried in the family cemetery for which he held the deed. I settled that argument ... I moved my mother's grave to MY property.  Fixed that little problem.  NOBODY tells me I can't bury my parents together.  My dad and aunt always sent each other birthday cards  -- in fact they had one they used to send back and forth for years -- same card! But when Mom died old Aunt Anne decided to rule the world. She would not have dared to have done that while my mother lived.

United Nations -- bunk -- we do not like the UN in this country and MANY of us would be happy if they moved it to Europe or Finland or Korea. You can have it. We don't care. It's one big joke and a bad one at that. That's why we lost Korea over having the Russians APPROVE our battle plans and then make copies for the Chinese Commies. Yeh, that was fair. 

Little countries vote against us, curse us, but demand the money be sent. Hell, I want RUSSIA to repay their debts to us in OIL. We'd never have to use Muslim oil again!! Bet that would get the crude price down.

You and I are probably never going to agree about a lot ... that's okay. I still welcome your view point. I need to see how things are around the world and it is good to hear from an intelligent source. I'm sorry the towel-heads thought they had to take out the World Trade Center but I have noticed that most of the Muslim world is against them as are our old Russian-bear friends. Strange bedfellows indeed. BUT, we are going to retaliate against those who did it and that's all there is to it. We will not stop.  I know how to stop it but no one would listen to me. I know this is not the end of it and it is only going to get worse. But we have let them go their own way for too without trouncing them. The time has come to stop the terrorism and I KNOW that the JEWS are/were the biggest terrorists of them all and I don't support that either but I've told you all that .....

so, until next time ( and I hope I answered everything here ) keep the wind to your back ....

wishing you peace, love and joy ....

The NEWC


Email No. 34

From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:23:55 -0500
To: JM
Subject: abm

Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty -- we already have one. Happened years ago with Russia. We agreed to dismantle all of our NUKE missile sites and they would do the same. We did -- and I saw it happen and went to school with some of the guys who were out there, and we even drove past a former NUKE site yesterday afternoon - and the Russians didn't dismantle theirs. They still have them in place around Moscow.

Funny thing about NUKE sites -- I hadn't been out of the Army too long and was a supervisor for the Bell Telephone Company. Got a call that a telephone truck died inside the gate of a NUKE installation. I grabbed a mechanic and a company truck and we drove out there. The guy I took with me was black but he had been a Sergeant in the Army just a few years before this happened. 

All the phone van had was dead a battery and I had a new one with me so we put it in.  BUT -- all the time we were inside the gate we were "covered" by Military Police with loaded M-16 rifles.  So here we were, employees of Illinois Bell who took care of their phone lines and phones, former US Military, and the US ARMY still didn't trust us!

But, anyway, that little missile base is gone, too. I know of four locations around here alone that are gone because of that ABM treaty we gave away to the Russians. Now that is something I know for a FACT!!!


Email No. 35

From: The NEWC

Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:21:27 -0500
To: JM
Subject: FW: How to Stop Osama Bin Laden
 

***
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Friend 5x
> To: The NEWC
> Sent: 11/10/01 9:42 AM
> Subject: FW: How to Stop Osama Bin Laden.
>
> LAY THIS ON YOUR BUDDY JACOB   PRETTY PROGRESSIVE
> THINKING
***

-----Original Message-----
From: Friend 6x
To: Multiple Recipient List
Sent: 11/10/01 12:20 AM
Subject: Fwd:  How to Stop Osama Bin Laden.


 HOW TO STOP ISLAMIC TERRORISTS

Gen. John J. Pershing's answer to terrorist attacks.

A solution to the problem of Islamic Terrorists developed
by the Army.

General John "Black Jack" Pershing - USMA class of '86
(that's 1886) the man!

HOW TO STOP ISLAMIC TERRORISTS... it worked once in our
history... Once in U.S. history an episode of Islamic
terrorism was very quickly stopped. It happened in the
Philippines about 1911, when Gen. John J. Pershing was
in command of the garrison. There had been numerous
Islamic terrorist attacks, so "Black Jack" told his
boys to catch the perps and teach them a lesson.

Forced to dig their own graves, the terrorists were all
tied to posts, execution style. The U.S. soldiers then
brought in pigs and slaughtered them, rubbing their
bullets in the blood and fat. Thus, the terrorists
were terrorized; they saw that they would be contaminated
with hogs' blood.

This would mean that they could not enter Heaven, even
if they died as terrorist martyrs.

All but one was shot, their bodies dumped into the grave,
and the hog guts dumped atop the bodies. The lone survivor
was allowed to escape back to the terrorist camp and tell
his brethren what happened to the others.

This brought a stop to terrorism in the Philippines for the
next 50 years.

Pointing a gun into the face of Islamic terrorists won't
make them flinch. They welcome the chance to die for Allah.
Like Gen. Pershing, we must show them that they won't get
to Muslim heaven (which they believe has an endless supply
of virgins) but instead will die with the hated pigs of the
devil.

Works for me!!

====================================
Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord. 
Praise ye the Lord. Psa. 150:6
====================================


JM Comment: The above story shows that for over 80 years (nay well nigh 200 years) the way the Americans have behaved and we are to respect that nation and the way it treats human beings and other religions. And yet a person like The NEWC cannot understand why Americans are detested around the planet!!


Email No. 36

From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:15:34 -0500
To: JM
Subject: Maybe...

I wrote you a letter this morning but this is a business computer and it would not handle anything over 100k so I made some notes and will send it from home.

First of all, shutting down the airports is a precaution. We don't think this is a terrorist activity - sorry. It would appear to be an engine fire on unknown causes so far.

I am not a fundamentalist Christian....sorry, pal ... I'm a Roman Catholic. Thought a guy from Cathedral with a superior intellect would have picked up on that long ago.  Catch yah later......

The junk I sent you about Bin Laden .. I 've got tons more .. that was merely a small chapter from history in the Philippines. It worked then.

I did read a great column written by a Judy Rubin who was having lunch with some Algerian businessmen and they comment top her that they've had Islamic terrorists in their country for ten years now and we should get used to it. Why are the Islamic terrorists in Algeria? What did they do wrong?  I do wonder .....

The NEWC


Email No. 37

From: JM
Sent: 11/12/01 2:48 PM
To: The NEWC
Subject: Maybe...

Dear The NEWC,

 

  • ***
    > "I did read a great column written by a Judy Rubin who
    > was having lunch with some Algerian businessmen and they
    > comment top her that they've had Islamic terrorists in their
    > country for ten years now and we should get used to it.
    > Why are the Islamic terrorists in Algeria?
    > What did they do wrong? I do wonder .."
    >
    ***

I too wonder why there are "Christian" terrorists in the US - all shades
from the Oklahoma Bomber to the IRA!!

 

  • ***
    > "I am not a fundamentalist Christian....sorry, pal ...
    > I'm a Roman Catholic. Thought a guy from Cathedral
    > with a superior intellect would have picked up on
    > that long ago. Catch yah later......"
    ***

There could not be a more fundamentalist Christian group than the Roman
Catholics - Infallibility I think you call it?

You do not know the difference between Indian Christians and
others. Ours is an Apostolic faith, and we have our liturgy still in
Christ's own language, Aramaic and our mother tongue, Malayalam, where we
have 100% literacy. We owe no allegiance to Rome, Canterbury
or Constantinople. We have our own Patriarch in India. We are not
subservient to anyone and we do not believe in infallibility!! And we
have not been burning people at the stake or purporting that the world
is flat or for that matter - for any other reason!!

As regards the New York incident - exactly what I thought. You guys are
so focused on chasing Osama Bin Laden you have forgotten the real values
of life and living. Can't you see that Osama Bin Laden is quietly winning
the war because of the stupidity of America and Americans? But that will
obviously not be so. After all the guys who died were just Dominicans,
so nothing for you Yankees to get hecked up about.

Will you organise to lynch the staff that allowed that plane to
take off - and murder 246 people. Or is that collateral damage that is
acceptable to you great "justice loving" Americans?

No go - I am sure that the great American cover up will now be
put in place by your corporate world.

Regards

JM


Email No. 38

From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:20:58 -0500
To: JM
Subject: New York

The pilot behind the A300 that crashed reported he saw smoke coming from the engine before the plane took off.


Email No. 39

From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:51:23 -0500
To: JM
Subject: Positive

JM:

I am positive that you are the most negative person I have ever met ... but ... undaunted .. I shall endeavor to push on here ... you know, you do make some sense but what I really want to know ... and you seemed to be more in tune with this than I .. what is the solution?

Our billions and billions in foreign aid hasn't helped and war solves nothing but to set up for the next war (see how the Germans and Japanese are on our side this time) so, where does the world turn?

The NEWC


Email No. 40

From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:56:05 -0500
To: JM
Subject: Huh?

Now, if you are an Apostolic Christian, how can you call Christ the LORD OF DEATH?  And, you are right, I know NOTHING about APOSTOLIC CHRISTIANS from India. I do believe that the apostle Timothy was supposed to have gone into India at one time bent on conversions. But, I'm sure very few people would know about it or what a FINDIAN is. It's not like they are movers and shakers of the planet, are they? Hence, little interest. But again, you beg the question, and run off on your own agenda and inflammatory anti-American rhetoric. 

I also said that the some of the Palestinians have been Christian since the time of Christ, didn't I?

I also told you that if given the choice I would fight with/for the Palestinians over the Jews any time. 

The question was, why are Islamics beating up on the poor Algerians?

I am NOT going to get into scripture and dogma with you. We've got enough going as it is.

What if they were Augustinians instead of Dominicans or Franciscans, even?

There you go again ... will you stop it .. we are not going to lynch anybody for anything .. hell, a few hours ago you were sure it was Islamic terrorists and I said I doubted that from the beginning. It didn't make sense to me they could make an engine fall off.

The NEWC


Email No. 41

From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:02:02 -0500
To: JM
Subject: RE: Maybe...

JM:

What? You knew the world was round before Galileo and you guys didn't
tell anybody? Shame on you! And you know something else, American Indians
were burning people at the stake long before the Catholics and Lutherans
started doping it in Europe. I think the Romans may have had some influence
on that. Wonder where they got it.

And did you know John Lennon was queer long before he met Yoko Ono?
Go to rush ....

The NEWC


Email No. 42

From: JM
Sent: 11/12/01 4:17 PM
To: The NEWC
Subject: RE: Maybe...

The NEWC,

Please do not show your ignorance any further.

Why don't you ask any Mathematician in the US about the Astronomical
Charts that existed in the vedic scriptures well before the Christian
era.

Astronomy was a science in India and Egypt well before western
civilisation was contemplated. The Maya civilisation designed their
pyramids on the concept of a round world and not a flat earth!!

If you have even read even one of the Indian mythological epics which
date back to 4000 BC you will know the world was never considered to be
anything but spherical and that the earth circled the Sun.

As I said, get educated before you start a discussion on any subject.

But of course, I forgot - you are educated and we natives are just the
fools of this earth.

JM


Email No. 43

From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:14:35 -0500
To: JM
Subject: RE: Maybe...

Oh, stuff it smarty pants!! Can't you take a joke? Good grief, Jake.
Loosen up!!

Even Socrates knew the earth was round. Of course I know about astronomy in Egypt and how the earth can be triangulated from the pyramids there. The Mayan p'mids are on a direct line with the Egyptian ones ...

by coincidence -- I don't think so!

And I know what a sophomore is.

Love yah, buddy........

The NEWC


Email No. 44

From: JM
Sent: 11/12/01 4:08 PM
To: The NEWC
Subject: Positive

The NEWC,

I am a strategist and an analyst and everything that you say or write is
pure rubbish.

People depend on me to derive strategy to solve their problems - so I
wonder how you can say I am negative. That is my job and I am successful
at it!!

Because Americans cannot see the solution does not mean that there does
not exist a solution. The solution is so simple but Americans are so
big-headed, I think that every American has a Texas head!! And empty
drums make the most sound.

Do you really think that America gives one dollar in aid - all aid is
tied!! That is not aid!

The German and Japanese Governments may be on your side - but I assure
you that not many Japanese or German people are on your side. The Indian
Government may be on your side as they have a hidden agenda against the
minorities as Christians and Muslims in India, but do you think that the
bulk of Indian people are on your side - no way.

The world has to turn away from America if it wants to find a solution
to this problem. False Christian values are certainly not going to bring a
solution to this problem.

By the way have you spoken to Rudolf Gulianao about removing the UN from
New York? You will be branded as a traitor to America and the American
people if you make such a suggestion!!

Why do you think that the World Trade Organisation Conference was held
in a place as Doha? So that the people of the world could not protest
against what their Governments are doing. The Governments are cowards hiding
behind the power of their office and dictatorial regimes.

JM


Email No. 45

From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:37:26 -0500
To: JM
Subject: RE: Positive

It's Gulliani not "o" and I have no access to him but I have spoken out
against the United Nations for years both publicly and privately and NO
ONE in this country has dared to call me a TRAITOR. I have suggested it
frequently on the radio and will continue to do so at every opportunity.

You wish the world would turn away from America and I wish America would
turn away from the world. Fair enough.

Does anyone in America care if the bulk of the Indian people are on our
side? No way. India is a place that few Americans could point to on a globe
and fewer yet know about Gandhi, Mahatma or Indira, and I doubt if one in a
hundred could locate the Ganges River on a map.

Why are the Islamics battling against Algeria?

The NEWC


Email No. 46

From: JM
Sent: 11/12/01 4:39 PM
To: The NEWC
Subject: RE: Huh?

The NEWC,

Doubting Thomas (not Timothy) was the one who founded the faith of the
Syrian Christians in India. If you go to Madras, the main road through
the city is called Mount Road as the Little Mount and St. Thomas's Mount
lie on the side of the road. Little Mount was where Thomas was killed.
The church on the beach is where his remains lay till it was stolen by
the Roman Catholic church and taken off to Rome!!

I did not say it was Islamists - as I still do not say that the WTC
bombings were done by Islamists. It is the Americans and British who say
it was done by Islamists!!

One does not have to fight to solve issues - that is the difference
between you and me. Issues can be solved in many different ways and they
are certainly not going to be solved by raising the gun.

Why was Nelson Mandela the world's greatest leader after Mahatma Gandhi
- because they did not use the gun!!

Violence breeds further violence - but short sighted Americans cannot
see that as they see only up to their noses. What you need is to get the
services of a decent optician to examine all Americans.

JM


Email No. 47

From: The NEWC
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:08:27 -0500
To: JM
Subject: RE: Huh?

JM:

Bin Laden has admitted his role in the Sept. 11 devastation of the World
Trade Center. Yeh, you're right - -St. Thomas. I forgot. My puny American
mind at sleep again.

News flash! The average American is slow to violence -- very slow. It's
only after we're pushed too far.

Gotta get to the train store and then home. Would still like to hear
about the WACO connection and about this business of yours.

Bye ..

The NEWC


Email No. 48

From: JM
Sent: 11/13/01 1:10 AM
To: The NEWC
Subject: RE: Maybe...

The NEWC,

When it comes to war and killing innocent people, be it American, Iraqi
children or Afghan women, whether it be by Osama Bin Laden, Taliban or
American forces - I believe all those must be punished by equal
standards.

One cannot hide behind the flag of patriotism and for God and country.

I am sorry that I cannot lighten up on this subject when innocent lives
are being lost mainly because of American foolishness and policy
extending over the last 50 years.

It was OK for Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban to kill Russians with
American money and weapons - but not Americans? Is that your patriotic
stand?

JM


Email No. 49

From: The NEWC
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:56:19 -0500
To: JM
Subject: RE: Maybe...

Good morning.....

what I was referring to when I said to lighten up was the comments about the round/flat earth thing. Pretty silly, isn't it? The information was right in front of them all along. Amazing. And, yes, some people got fried over it.

Shame, that, BUT, again, we are digging into the distant past and cannot cure those ills now. Better to know history than relive it, eh?

Unless.....you have found a way to visit the past. Now that would be so cool.

Whoops -- my watch is beeping ... conference call time

..... Anyway -- no, that is NOT my patriotic stand .. I was never in favor of the Afghans killing the Russians or the Russians killing the Chets or anybody killing ANYBODY. I was not in favor of Stalin and Hitler killing millions or Mao killing millions or China ruling Tibet ....

conference call
time.... bye ....

The NEWC


Email No. 50

From: The NEWC
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:45:15 -0500
To: JM
Subject: Clears that up...

So, the old Burghers are still at it. Haven't heard about them in years. Still doesn't tell me what the Islamics want but ... another matter.

Yes, it is a shame about geography. I enjoy it but it is hardly taught in schools anymore and few Americans know much about their own state  let alone continents and countries. You do not find this in other parts of the world?  Proud of that? Not hardly. It is a fact of life.............that's all.

I have a friend in Lafayette, Indiana, who is a full blooded Apache America-Indian. She does not agree with your ideas about American Indians. She had a few comments of her own but her e-mail address is xxxxxx@pwrtrain.com.  Did I tell you my wife is part Iriquois?

Now, should I be angry with India for have killed an apostle some 1,900 years ago? What retributions should they suffer for that crime?

Slavery and genocide do not exist in America. More than 250,000 Americans died to end slavery over here. But slavery and genocide still exist in other parts of the world today and are ongoing. That is what we need to stop ... we cannot live in the distant past. Our founding fathers were quick to stop the importation of Africans .... and nobody threw tens of thousands of Africans overboard! Pure bunk!!

The NEWC  


Email No. 51

From: The NEWC
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:59:25 -0500
To: JM
Subject: Since time...

Since time was invented there has been history. That which did not occur within our lifetime becomes ancient ... I am not guilty of slavery nor is anyone else who is alive today and will not stand trial for it nor for the impact on the American Indians.

We are still cleaning up the mess of the World Trade Center and digging out the bodies. It is before us everyday.  Bin Laden has admitted his responsibility for it and his father was on television last night being interviewed by a Chinese girl. He stated his son, Osama, called him the next day, bragging of his great "victory" and the father denounced it because of the civilian deaths.

You harp on slavery of long ago but don't want to discuss slavery in the world today, or the genocides in Africa, or the wife burnings in India or the real reason you (voluntarily?)left India. You call Mandela a great leader but ignore the people who were "necklaced" by his dear wife, Winnie with the blessings of Desmond Tutu. And what about the farmers who are murdered daily in South Africa by the squatters? Is this your justice? South Africa was nothing and virtually uninhabited before the Dutch arrived and built a fabulous country that is now being destroyed.

The NEWC


Email No. 52

From: The NEWC
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:27:54 -0500
To: JM
Subject: Dear JM

Let us start with Dr. King ... I own quite a few books on Dr. King and the strange thing about them are the differences. Dick Gregory, whom I have met and spoken with, says Jesse Jackson was in the parking lot but my guard Captain, who was Dr. King's body guard, say Jesse was on the balcony with Martin. The photos show Jesse on the balcony. I started writing a book on Dr. King but never finished it .... I have been told who killed Dr. King and it sure wasn't James Earl Ray...

Former Black Panthers - who went to prison for murdering their own people - are now congressmen, deans of colleges, high government officials, etc.

You should see how the "poor blacks" live in America today.

I know nothing about a Sikh killing. (JM Comment: This email refering to the killing of a Sikh in America as they thought him to be a Muslim because of his headgear appears to be missing from this sequence.)

No, Mr. Bush is not bragging about any killings.

Bin Laden has admitted his role. His father admitted it. Bin Laden is a Saudi and the Saudis kicked him out in 1983. They didn't like him either.   

TRANSMIT PAGE ONE


Email No. 53

From: The NEWC
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:36:07 -0500
To: JM
Subject: page two

Never claimed to know a lot about Africa. A lot of them still live in huts made of mud and cow dung and jump up and down. One of the world's great civilizations, no doubt.

I get to live in this world and it isn't yours, pal. I have a RIGHT to be here. I also get to comment about murderers like Winnie and Desmond. I have the right of free speech and all I can do is report the facts AS THEY ARE... it just doesn't get any simpler than that.

Oh yeh, and I know Columbus didn't discover America.

It was NOT OK for Clinton to lie under oath and, in my opinion, then and now, he should be in prison for a LOT of things.,, and you are RIGHT about Hillary and Lewinsky... and it NOT the moral behavior of all Americans. (JM Comment: It appears that another one of my posts is missing - the one which refers to Hillary Clinton and Monica Lewinsky.)

Well, I just can't help but wonder why you got kicked out of India. I don't think your leaving was your own idea.

TRANSMIT PAGE TWO


Email No. 54

From: The NEWC
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:47:54 -0500
To: JM
Subject: page 3

Why do you constantly go off the deep end and twist everything I say?

I did NOT say that no Africans were ever thrown overboard -- I said the BS that TENS OF THOUSANDS were thrown overboard is not right. AND, I if you don't want to believe that Catholics and Lutherans and Gypsies and others were smoked with the Jews, I still say it is your RIGHT to selectively believe what you will.

The Ku Klux Klan doesn't like me any more than I like them.

I am not angry that the Jews killed Christ: are you? I still do business with Jews: even worked for them a time or two. (JM Comment: The best line an Anti-Semitist could adopt!!) And I still argue with them about the Palestinians but at least we part as friends.

Oh yeh -- Good Point -- but, if I didn't have any Christianity then you wouldn't either, would you?  But, next to Jesus, only you have the words of eternal truth and life.

TRANSMIT PAGE THREE ....


Email No. 55

From: The NEWC
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:56:10 -0500
To: JM
Subject: Final page - four

Have you terminated all of your contacts with American companies or do you still cling to them for merchandise and support? (JM Comment: He did not know about my Boycott American Products Web Page which has been recently renovated.)

I have tried to be polite with you and have chosen not to stoop to your level of insults, derision and name calling. That's your little complex.

This will conclude all transmissions from me to you and from you to me. Any further messages will be deleted and not read. How's that for up front American honesty?  I love my Jesus, my country and my wife. You can never take that from me.

And, by the way, your letters, name, etc., will all be turned over to the Federal Bureau of Investigation as inflammatory and anti-American. You see, I used to be one of those kinds of guys too but then I told you I used to be a cop.

I would use my connections to find out why you got kicked out of India but I really don't give a shit.  bye bye ,,,,,,

The NEWC


JM Comment: This correspondence really showed me the lack of intelligence of the "educated" American. So, can we get any other reaction from a lot of other "educated Christian Americans" such as George W. Bush, Richard (Dick) Chenney, Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice and crowd who make up the American Administration. The answer is a simple NO. Expect the worst and trouble, not only in Iraq, but every corner of the world where we have people with some measure of intelligence to think and act for themselves, rather than blindly follow the dictates of these "educated" Americans.

US and the Saudi monarchy bear total responsibility for the creation of the fundamentalist Islamic terrorists. King Faisal, together with the United States, deliberately nurtured fundamentalist Islam in the 1960's as a counterweight to Nasserists and leftists. It was Saudi Arabia, at America's request, that backed the jihad against Soviet troops in Afghanistan, thus forming the basis for Al-Qaeda.

As you sow you shall reap - and so the crows will come home to roost.

PS: As a last measure to complete an argument and show how misinformed he was, I sent this email with the text from Barnaby Phillips (of BBC) to The NEWC.

I heard no more from him!!


Email No. 56

From: JM
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:21:41 +0200 (EET)
To: The NEWC
Subject: And so much for African History!!

Forgotten victims of the Boer War The British inflicted suffering on Africans and Afrikaners

By Southern Africa correspondent Barnaby Phillips

A bleak and desolate settlement in the midst of South
Africa's great plains, Dry Harts feels like the town
that time forgot.

But an overgrown cemetery in this unprepossessing
place provides the evidence that is forcing historians
to re-evaluate the past.

Exactly 100 years ago South Africa was embroiled in war
the British were fighting the Afrikaner - or Boer -
people, attempting to absorb them into the empire.

The Anglo-Boer War has long been notorious as the
conflict which saw the birth of the concentration camp.

Tens of thousands of Afrikaners were herded into
camps by the British.

More than 20,000 Afrikaners, mainly children,
subsequently died from disease.

The Dry Harts cemetery contains hundreds of graves, all
dating from 1901 and 1902. But the names on the
gravestones belong not to Afrikaners, but to black
Africans.

These stones are the evidence of a forgotten British
crime.

Memories

Because the British army also set up dozens of camps
for African people, they forced the inmates to grow food
and provide labour for the troops.

Most historians now accept that more than 100,000
Africans were imprisoned.

Even the official British records say that more than
14,000 of the inmates died.

Garth Benneyworth, who has studied the Boer War for
years, said the African camps had very high
mortality rates.

"We do know that the Africans received a less
nutritious diet than those in the Afrikaner camps. They
only had basic foodstuffs, and that includes the
children - no vegetables and no fruit. And in this
particular camp there was a scurvy epidemic, and that is
reflective of malnutrition".

Today, insights into the camps live on only in stories,
handed down from generation to generation.

Kleinjan Maruping, who is in his 80s, heard about the
war from his father, who experienced it first-hand.

"The British took the Africans off the land, and then
treated them like slaves", he says.

Until very recently the Anglo-Boer War was always seen
as a white man's war.

Even its name ignores the black majority.

History retold

The British and Afrikaners had a monopoly over South
African history - and neither group had an interest in
promoting knowledge about the African camps.

The British were presumably ashamed, whereas emotive
Afrikaner accounts left no room for the suffering of
other people.

Professor Fransjohan Pretorius, of the University
of Pretoria, is perhaps the foremost Afrikaner expert
on the war.

"The suffering in the Afrikaner camps was used
to foster Afrikaner nationalism" he says,
"which meant that when the National Party came to
power in 1948 they directed their feelings of dominance
towards the indigenous people of this country".

The origins of at least some of the injustices suffered
by black South Africans can be traced to the Anglo-Boer
War.

The African concentration camps are not just an
unfortunate or forgotten piece of history.

They also give a very good indication of how black
people would be treated throughout the 20th Century.

Because in order to make the camps work, the British
used land removals and forced labour - practices which
later became common under the apartheid system.

In the light of the evidence of the black concentration
camps, some historians now prefer to talk of the "South
African War" rather than the Anglo-Boer War.

Many South Africans hope that a re-evaluation of the
past, and a recognition that all peoples suffered in a
terrible war, can lead to a more harmonious future.


JM

JM Comment:

And so ended our correspondence. I am waiting for the CIA and the FBI to knock on my door and take me to captivity and treat me as a terrorist as I do not subscribe to the values laid down by Bush and his cronies.

In the meantime, the Patriot Act II prepared by the American Administration has just been leaked - and with this I wonder what makes the "so-called democracy and freedom" in the USA any better than the "freedom and democracy" in Saddam's Iraq or any other country ruled by a dictator? But obviously, the Americans cannot see it this way - and will not till they are detained under the Act - and then for all the others in America it will be someone's misfortune, NOT THEIRS. Of course, I do hope that no American newspaper or media nor the American public will cry foul when their citizens are similarly detained in another country under a simlilar act. "As you sow, you shall reap."

The Patriot Act II would allow the American Government to:

* Conduct domestic wiretapping without court order for 15 days following a congressional authorization of use of force or an attack on the United States.

* Secretly detain citizens.

* Deport any alien, including green-card holders, who are convicted of drug possession or an aggravated felony.

* Access a citizen's credit reports without a subpoena.

* Abolish federal court "consent decrees" that limit police surveillance of non-criminal organizations and public events.

* Criminalize the use of encryption software in the commission or planning of a felony.

* Apply strict gag rules to those subpoenaed by a grand jury.

* Collect DNA from suspected terrorists and indeed from any individual whose DNA might assist terror investigations.

* Extend authorization periods for secret wiretaps and Internet surveillance.

* Ease restrictions on the use of secret evidence.

This above summary was taken from A Chilly Response to 'Patriot II'

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